How to cover an entire ceiling in 703???

[Rod Gervais]

Tango.......... suspended ceiling tracks do not provide adequate support for even lightweight ceiling tiles........

The are simply a "shelf" (for all intent and purpose) that the ceiling tile rest on - the support for the system is provided by a series of support cables that are installed as a part of the system......

You will understand if you take a second to read this:

http://www.armstrong.com/content2/resam/files/18468.pdf

or you can watch the video - it's really pretty easy.........

Suspended Ceiling/Drop Ceiling Installation Video


For a really thick tile without a lot of space above - I would modify the installation slightly. Install all of the main runners - then install the first group of tiles (which will fit easily without the cross tees in place) - then install the first row of cross tees.

If you are using fluffy insulation above your ceiling fill the first bay before proceeding

Continue this across the room - before installing the final cross tees - slide your end tiles above the ceiling tiles on the next to the last row.

Install your final cross tees - and then slide the tiles above the ceiling over and drop into place.

I would not that except for a very small room - even 1x members are going to require intermediate supports.

We've made some very attractive ceilings using a combination of wood and ceiling track - and simply wood as well - just remember that even if you only have 4" of rigid insulation - these things get pretty heavy rather quickly...... picture that same 12x12 room I was discussing earlier - with 4" of 3pcf rigid insulation above - you would have 48 cubic feet of insulation - so the ceiling tiles alone would weigh 144 lbs.

You would need to add the weight of the members supporting it to determine the entire load in order to calculate the bearing capacity of those members....... plus any lighting, etc.

Rod

[2manyrocks]

Originally Posted by Rod Gervais

We've made some very attractive ceilings using a combination of wood and ceiling track - and simply wood as well -

Rod

How do you combine wood and ceiling track? I could see how a stained wood would dress up a panel ceiling, but how do you build the ceiling using wood and the track together?

[Rod Gervais]

Originally Posted by 2manyrocks

How do you combine wood and ceiling track? I could see how a stained wood would dress up a panel ceiling, but how do you build the ceiling using wood and the track together?

Here's a few different options - one a little fancier than the other......

[2manyrocks]

Sorry about all these questions, but to help me understand how this goes together....

Is the 1" section a rib spaced crosswise at joints between the 4" thick pieces of rigid fiberglas?

It's 1" thick on the plans, but about how wide do you make it if it's a crossrib to cover the joints between fiberglas pieces?

What are you using for 1" thick material? Most of the box store stock is 3/4? Is it normally paint grade stock or it is typically stain grade?

I'm guessing these are box clouds? About how big do you build each box? Would they be spaced off the center and side walls the entire length of the room? Is that how they are sized?

How do you suspend these sections 8" from a slanted ceiling?

[Rod Gervais]

Originally Posted by 2manyrocks

Sorry about all these questions, but to help me understand how this goes together....

Is the 1" section a rib spaced crosswise at joints between the 4" thick pieces of rigid fiberglas?

No, the 1" dimension is simply exposed wood below the ceiling track/angle to create a deeper look for the ceiling...... it's strictly an architectural feature, as you can see in the other pdf file - sometimes I add a 3/4" cove molding there for dress as well.......... however the ceiling tiles all rest on the ceiling grid system.

It's 1" thick on the plans, but about how wide do you make it if it's a crossrib to cover the joints between fiberglass pieces?

The joints in the fiberglass tiles rest on the ceiling grid/wall angles

What are you using for 1" thick material? Most of the box store stock is 3/4?

Forget what it measures - look at what it's called in those same box stores....

1x_ (the "_" could be 12, 10, 8, 6, etc.) is referred to as a "nominal" dimension.

the dressed dimension is what you buy...... the nominal is in the rough cut state.

So a 1x12 measures 3/4x11 1/2" when it's dressed.....

Is it normally paint grade stock or it is typically stain grade?

That is entirely up to the end user and what they want for room finishes - I do not get involved in colors in the studios I design.

I'm guessing these are box clouds? About how big do you build each box? Would they be spaced off the center and side walls the entire length of the room? Is that how they are sized?

That is entirely dependent on how much of the ceiling I am looking to cover - there is no standard measurement that works for every room.

How do you suspend these sections 8" from a slanted ceiling?

Exactly the same as a standard suspended ceiling - with wires.... in this particular case I specified a 7 strand aircraft cable. On sloped ceilings it's easier to hang with a cable that will readily fall into place under the load - for flat ceilings the stiffer cable used for standard suspended ceiling track works fine.

For very heavy wood framed ceiling clouds I have used 3/8" threaded rod through bolted to the structure.

All of this ends up being project dependent.......

Rod

[2manyrocks]

I've got a situation where a suspended ceiling would be helpful, but I've never liked the look. This gives me another option. Thanks very much for your help.

[Seamus TM]

Here is an example of a cloud with an all wood frame.
It is a "fish eye" picture, so it's a little weird to look at, but you get the idea.

[Rod Gervais]

Nice looking ceiling Seamus.........

[Seamus TM]

Thanks, Rod!
I managed to mess up the original plan, but it still worked out great somehow!

[2manyrocks]

Your picture really brings this to life. Do you mind if I ask what you used to cover your panels black and what wood was used in the frame? Visually, it's very attractive space.

[Seamus TM]

Originally Posted by 2manyrocks

Your picture really brings this to life. Do you mind if I ask what you used to cover your panels black and what wood was used in the frame? Visually, it's very attractive space.

It's alive!

It's black felt for the fabric and rough cut pine straight from the mill.
(same wood for the walls, too)

[zlaya]

I would definitely take the cloud approach on this one. That way you can build on the ground to the specs, and then just lift.

Think basically a huge bass trap, or acoustic panel.

[2manyrocks]

Thanks much.

[Tango4Cash]

Wow! After seeing that now I want to rethink my space!

I see you designed that room Rod, if I give you exact dimensions, layouts, pictures, and a list of available materials in my local area, how much would you charge to design my live room, control room, and that little booth?

[Rod Gervais]

Tango,

I do not do business on this site - it would be in bad form.........

If you want me to provide a quote please contact me privately - my contact info is readily available......

Rod

[Tango4Cash]

Originally Posted by Rod Gervais

Tango,

I do not do business on this site - it would be in bad form.........

If you want me to provide a quote please contact me privately - my contact info is readily available......

Rod

HA! Well I'll be a son of a b&/$$

I have your book and have read it a thousand times! I didn't realize who I was talking to LOL! Face palm!

Ok PM sent

[Rod Gervais]

Originally Posted by Tango4Cash

HA! Well I'll be a son of a b&/$$

I have your book and have read it a thousand times! I didn't realize who I was talking to LOL! Face palm!

Ok PM sent

LOL........ no problems...........