2nd August 2012
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#1 | | Gear interested
Joined: Aug 2012
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Thread Starter | Just got my first set of monitors, few questions...
First off, im new to the forum, ive browsed a lot, but i just registered since i have a question.
I just purchased a pair of HS50M monitors and a HS10W sub for mixing at home. Im a student in a recording arts program, focusing on studio recording. I still live at home, since I cannot afford an apartment in Chicago as well as my car payment and tuition when in school more than full time (i usually leave at 6am and don't get home till about 6pm). Part of the reason for the purchase was so i can mix at home, not just using headphones (DT770s), rather than book studio time at school to work on projects.
My parents are looking to sell the house in a few years, so i cannot make any permanent changes. My room is 17'x11'x8' This is my bedroom, i have my TV, bed (queen size, so it takes up some space, im 6'6, i need my space at night), and dresser. The south wall is 11ft wide, and has a window dead center in it, which is covered by a cloth curtain. There is a closet built into the north wall, 3/4 the width of the wall, so that side is out. The east and west walls are each 17' wide, one has a door on the end of it (N side of W wall), the other (East wall) has a window in the center of it. Acoustically my room is a nightmare, and i dont have money to spend on acoustic treatment, and my parents wont allow me to DIY some, afraid ill scuff up the paint on my walls or something.
Due to all the stuff in my room, and the fact that its my bedroom, my workplace, my "place" i dont want to get rid of all my stuff, yet i want to be able to get some semi accurate sound out of my new setup i bought.
I was thinking, what if i were to place my desk/workstation at a 45 deg angle, facing into the south west corner of my room, i could get away with not taking up my entire room just to make these little guys fit in here. Ive seen plenty of pictures of home studios faced into a corner like this before. Does anyone have any input on if this is a good/bad idea and why (if bad) In my mind it would do pretty well (in theory that i know at least) to help keep reflections from bouncing back to you. I cant really afford acoustic treatment now. And i can't just throw all the stuff out of my room.
Does anyone have any input on my idea/theory, or any links to threads, sites, etc. addressing a similar issue to the one i am faced with?
Thanks in advance for your help, and im glad to now be a gearslut myself. I have a lot of background in car audio (my last vehicle hit a 142 at 37Hz at the headrest with a pair of 12s and just under 1kw RMS ON MUSIC), but this stuff is all kinda new to me. I know some of the theories that apply to SQ for car audio will come into effect in a home studio setup, but idk what does/does not translate from car to home necessarily. Im hear to learn.
Sorry the post is so long. If anything is unclear, just say so and ill clear up any confusion.
Again, thanks guys.
EDIT: Ill try to post get some models made up in sketchup of my room, what all is in it, and what my idea is tomorrow, as for now, its bed time, i gotta be up in 5 and a half hours to catch the train to Chicago for school.
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2nd August 2012
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#2 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Aug 2003 Location: Cork Ireland
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Welcome. Individual situations have very particular behaviours. So the only way to know your room is to measure it. FuzzMeasure, ARTA, Room Eq Wizard. REW has a great price.
Try your speakers as close as possible to the walls, almost touching. A 2'x4'x4" trap of fibre between them and the wall should be very helpful.
Room treatment is very effective. To be fully effective often requires lots of it.
So in limited scenarios, we have other friends. Location of speakers and listeners can show drastic differences even over short distances. If you are lucky you will find optimum spots which are quite acceptable.
Room Eq can be very effective, e.g. AudioLense or REW filters running in MiniDSP.
DD
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2nd August 2012
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#3 | | Gear Guru
Joined: Jul 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA
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As Dan said you would need to test it to find out which the following program will let you do so, FOR FREE!!  REW Room EQ Wizard Room Measurement Tutorial video
I have tried facing the corner when doing the following test and found it not to be all that great. I did not make it part of the video but the video does show that set up location is very important. Positioning Listening Spot Video Tutorial | 
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2nd August 2012
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#4 | | Gear interested
Joined: Aug 2012
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Thread Starter |
thanks guys, ill look into all that. Becasue of the way my room is set up, and the fact that it is my bedroom, i may be forced into facing my desk so im looking into the corner. While not ideal, its better than facing the wall and being shoved in the corner id assume. Unfortunately, im in class, and wont be home for another 5-6 hours...but as soon as i am, ill most likely start working on this, since my gear gets to my place today.
I personally dont have a mic, except the one built into my laptop, but since im recording for a film this weekend, im checking out a location audio bundle from school. So i can try with either a lavaleir mic or a shotgun mic. But thats the only type of mics i have access to really. I can see if a friend has one i can borrow for a day or two.
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3rd August 2012
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#5 | | Gear interested
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Well, i rearranged my bedroom today, it looks more like the 2ch studio setup on this site RealTraps - How To Set Up a Room
Im not nearly done yet, i just got furniture rearranged and the stands up. My desk is on wheels, so thankfully will be easy to push it up against the wall when i dont need to be in the sweet spot, i can have the extra floor space, when i need to be in it, i can be.
Now, ive seen studios with the monitors vertically (tweeter over woofer) and horizontally. What do you guys reccommend, or is it one of those experiment and see. As far as subwoofer placement. I have 10' cables to go from my IO to my sub, a 5' for my sub to whichever monitor is closest, and a 15' to the longer one. Where should i place my sub? I plan on making some panels to absorb reflections, and may even make some bass traps if i can get my parents to allow me to. For the most part, my workstation is set just like the diagram on the link, but with a bed in the room too (queen size, it was "fun" guggling the stuff around my room to get it all where it needs to be. Still have to unpack monitors and sub and all, but have to be up in 6 1/2 hours for class, so i may call it a night.
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3rd August 2012
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#6 | | Gear interested
Joined: Aug 2012
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Thread Starter | 
hope this works, this is what it looks like, gotta do some cleanup before i can go to bed first.
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3rd August 2012
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#7 | | Gear Guru
Joined: Oct 2002 Location: New Milford, CT, USA
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Originally Posted by cowboysaluki  ive seen studios with the monitors vertically (tweeter over woofer) and horizontally. What do you guys reccommend, or is it one of those experiment and see. | For monitors with a separate woofer and tweeter, versus a concentric design with the tweeter in the center of the woofer, the drivers should be vertical with one above the other. That way frequencies around the crossover point that come from both drivers arrive at your ears at the same time. Quote: |
Where should i place my sub?
| The only way to know for sure is to measure the LF response at high resolution as you experiment. This article might help: Subwoofer Placement
--Ethan The Acoustic Treatment Experts | |
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3rd August 2012
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#8 | | Gear interested
Joined: Aug 2012
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Thanks, unfortunately i wont be home from classs for about 7 hours, but when i do, its play time.
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