Any ideas for my studio design?

[jwl]

I personally would not split a small room like that up into 3 even smaller rooms. I think you'd get better sound overall from one (relatively) large room, which is still somewhat small (ie, less than 10' wide).

For details on the challenges of getting good sound in tiny rooms, see:
RealTraps - Vocal Booths

[Rockenberry]

Thank you for your input Jwl!

You are right, the space is small, but I'm going to be a hard head and continue on with my plan. I k ow its going to be tough getting a great sound but, I'm going to try at least!

Based on that, do you have any other help to offer in relation to the design?

Regards,

Rockenberry.

[explorer]

I would listen to JWL and make a one room studio. Those smaller rooms will be difficult to treat properly and will not sound as good as one larger room will.

[Rod Gervais]

Rock - I can't even see those pics - can you do something to increase the size and clarity - or perhaps just a link to the files so I can download them?

Rod

[Rockenberry]

Originally Posted by Rod Gervais

Rock - I can't even see those pics - can you do something to increase the size and clarity - or perhaps just a link to the files so I can download them?

Rod

Hello Rod,

I have included the links (I hope as I have never done this on gearslutz as usually I use my mobile phone to do it!).

With Measurements:

View image: With Measurements

Without Measurements:

View image: Without Measurements

I hope you can make out the images. Let me know if you can't see the pictures properly.

Rock.

[OpusOfTrolls]

You might want to rethink this. Look at how much isolation would be required for the Iso Booth, from both live room and control room sound. If I were you, I would hire a professional. You don't ground up amateur design.

[Rockenberry]

Originally Posted by OpusOfTrolls

You might want to rethink this. Look at how much isolation would be required for the Iso Booth, from both live room and control room sound. If I were you, I would hire a professional. You don't ground up amateur design.

Thank you for your comments.

You are indeed correct! It's not hard to see that I am not an architect nor a professional designer.

Perhaps I do need to rethink this design. I do however wonder what others think and especially what the pros think, like Rod.

Are you a professional? If you are, would you care to point me in the correct direction?

Regards,

Rockenberry.

[OpusOfTrolls]

Originally Posted by Rockenberry

Thank you for your comments.

You are indeed correct! It's not hard to see that I am not an architect nor a professional designer.

Perhaps I do need to rethink this design. I do however wonder what others think and especially what the pros think, like Rod.

Are you a professional? If you are, would you care to point me in the correct direction?

Regards,

Rockenberry.

No, not a professional, just a diligent amateur. For one, keep the iso booth far away from the tracking room. I liked your control room design so far as utilizing a corner as the front wall, but this will make the rear wall more important to treat with all kinds of devices. Make sure to float the floor of the iso booth. Build a heavy wall inbetween the tracking room and everything else.

[Tim Farrant]

My thoughts are the double walls for the booth are probably a waste of time, just make very heavy single stud walls using steel studs. You are going to need the space for quite heavy treatment to get rid of the boxy sound that booth will have.

The other 2 spaces are very cubic, this will make it very difficult and expensive to treat. If you want an honest opinion (and you did ask), the whole design is far from ideal.

What is the floor made of?

Tim.

[Glenn Kuras]

Originally Posted by Rockenberry

Thank you for your comments.

You are indeed correct! It's not hard to see that I am not an architect nor a professional designer.

Perhaps I do need to rethink this design. I do however wonder what others think and especially what the pros think, like Rod.

Are you a professional? If you are, would you care to point me in the correct direction?

Regards,

Rockenberry.

I would go with jwl. It will save you a lot of time, money and sound a lot better.

[Rockenberry]

Thanks for your comments.

The floor is concrete block and beam with 50mm screed. The block and beam is sat on 210mm concrete block which in turn is sat on 2m foundations.

The walls are concrete as is the ceiling.

I appreciate people saying the design is not ideal. Any suggestions on design? I appreciate that solutions in this case may not be many, but I at least want two rooms.

Thanks!

Rock

[Rockenberry]

Rod,

I posted the two picture for you to download.

Did you manage to get them?

I'd be interested to hear your opinions on the matter.

Thanks,

Rod

[Rockenberry]

Originally Posted by Glenn Kuras

I would go with jwl. It will save you a lot of time, money and sound a lot better.

Thanks Glenn!

Always nice to hear from a pro!

Yes, my space is very small and far from ideal. The control room although not exactly the same, is very similar to Rod's design in his book in chapter 10. It even has very similar dimensions. My control room is slightly bigger in floor space (I believe, the book said 101s.f. Mine is 131.85 s.f. Which is not that much bigger to be honest).

I have modified the booth design slightly and will post the design real soon.

What do think of the possibility of scrapping this design and making two rooms? The control room following M.M.Louden's 1st room ratio (1:1.40 1:1.90). The dimensions will be 4.75m(L)x3.5m(W)x2.5m(H). The other room left for the tracking.

I know I'm being a real hardhead with insisting with two rooms but thats how I want it and would hate to have one room.

I also want to have a further discussion with you with regards to what treatment to buy from your company, is there an e-mail address I can contact you on or a number I may call?

Regards,

Rock

[Rod Gervais]

Rock,

Sorry it took so long to get back to you......

Yes I saw the pictures - and although I can understand your desire for multiple spaces - if it were me in a space that small I would opt for a single multipurpose room.

You would get the best sounding space that way.......

Rod

[Rockenberry]

Originally Posted by Rod Gervais

Rock,

Sorry it took so long to get back to you......

Yes I saw the pictures - and although I can understand your desire for multiple spaces - if it were me in a space that small I would opt for a single multipurpose room.

You would get the best sounding space that way.......

Rod

Thanks Rod!

Thank you very much for getting back to me, I am indeed a big fan and reading your book has been a real eye opener with regards to studio construction, let me tell you!

I guess I'm going to have to strongly consider/accept a single room...

In the famous words of Columbo, just one more thing...

Will my control room still have massive problems despite the fact that it is ver similar in design and size to the control room in your book in chapter 10?

If the answer is no and your concern is with the tracking room/vocal booth, will it be impossible to treat even if I add some space (squeezing some away from the kitchen area)?

Would the acoustic sound improve if I make the booth a hexagon shape with a sloping ceiling?

If all that us not possible, can I not at least salvage two rooms and be able to treat them? I would use Louden's 1st room ratio, thus my control room would be: 4.75m(L)x3.5m(W)x2.5m(H)?

Thanks Rod,

Rock.

[Rockenberry]

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[Rockenberry]

Rod,

I would appreciate to hear what your views are regarding my last post (with exception to the last two bumps!).

Rock