Should I Pay For Treatment, Or Just DIY?

[Syncamorea]

You should install big boob closet doors to counterbalance the big ass window.

T&A Studios, baby!

[kasmira]

Originally Posted by Syncamorea

You should install big boob closet doors to counterbalance the big ass window.

T&A Studios, baby!

[Medic]

Originally Posted by Syncamorea

You should install big boob closet doors to counterbalance the big ass window.

T&A Studios, baby!

My plan was actually a 32inch LED television running raw pornography all day, every day, including when clients are in the room...I find it a good ice breaker...and I plan to invite female vocalists often.

[Medic]

Great news everybody. I got a shocker today. I'm laying on the downstairs couch taking a nap, and I get a knock at the door. It's FedEx and buddy is like, "Where do you want all these big boxes?" I was so hung over I had no idea what he was talking about until I looked at who it was from, well didn't yah know, GIK! My entire room kit showed up in EXCELLENT condition, smelling brand new and looking sexy. Starting tomorrow I'll begin to photograph the adventure. I unpacked all the panels and corner traps, and I had them all downstairs in the main entrance hallway. My buddies kept sticking their heads in between the panels feeling the sound 'vacuum.' I wanted to say ordering from GIK was easy, the staff very helpful and the product looks to be perfect. Cant wait to set them up!

[kasmira]

Righteous! I hope they work well for you

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[Glenn Kuras]

Originally Posted by Medic

Great news everybody. I got a shocker today. I'm laying on the downstairs couch taking a nap, and I get a knock at the door. It's FedEx and buddy is like, "Where do you want all these big boxes?" I was so hung over I had no idea what he was talking about until I looked at who it was from, well didn't yah know, GIK! My entire room kit showed up in EXCELLENT condition, smelling brand new and looking sexy. Starting tomorrow I'll begin to photograph the adventure. I unpacked all the panels and corner traps, and I had them all downstairs in the main entrance hallway. My buddies kept sticking their heads in between the panels feeling the sound 'vacuum.' I wanted to say ordering from GIK was easy, the staff very helpful and the product looks to be perfect. Cant wait to set them up!

Good deal man.. Feel free to send me an email if you have any questions I can help with.

[Medic]

Okay, so I will be needing help for sure. I got photos up now so I'll give you guys a tour. Sorry for the mess, I'll be working all day by late tonight this room will be looking much much better. And I got laundry going. :P lol.

Okay so, we say the wall the big ass window is on is called the front of the room, then the pictures are of the following:

Back Right



Back Left



Front Of Room



As you can see, I did not include in my amateur layout that I had this loft bed going to be here. The idea was I wanted to save as much space in the room. So what better way than to elevate the bed and give me as much room as possible for studio and couch. My plan is to put the loft bed at the back of the room, in front of the two doors but with just enough space to get at the closets, as you can see they are collapsible doors and not swing open so I can get away with some tricks. I will place the two monster bass traps on the wall you see to the left of where my computer system is up. The loft bed as you can see as two support bars going across horizontal, will this be okay to sit in front of the monster traps.

At this time you can see I have fold out tables to keep my current system on. These are only temporary. I actually will be ordering this desk when my company gets its next wave of investment funds:

Studio RTA Producer Station | Musician's Friend

It will be six foot wide, three foot depth.

You will also notice the conditioner, it's a small unit that required a bit of inexperienced modifying of the window cell to get it in secured. This is where I was told to put the station. Those stands you see there are for the HSM80's. So if I understand Byran correctly, I am to put two corner traps to the left, and two corner traps to the right of the window? As well I have six 244 bass traps. I actually ordered two extra and I was told to use them over the mic boom, but I was wondering if I can just place an extra one on each side to boost the size of the reflection point absorption area? The reason being I already have a primacoustic Voxguard to go behind my mics.

I know this is going to be one hell of a cosy room. As well that's my puppies cage. :P

[Medic]

So I've rearranged my room, by a miracle, it looks like everything will fit absolutely perfect. Again this is temporary, I will be getting a far better desk. MIDI piano is on the way. :O



Only problem is I have to put the monitors on the ground when my dog comes in the room, he could bang into the stands and have one fall on him. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Tested the interface, new headphones and tweeters. These monitors could knock down my house! :D

[kasmira]

Any reason you have them sideways and not upright? More over, have you tried them with the tweeters on the inside instead of outside?

Can you fill those stands with sand?

[Glenn Kuras]

Originally Posted by kasmira

Any reason you have them sideways and not upright? More over, have you tried them with the tweeters on the inside instead of outside?

Can you fill those stands with sand?

Yes I agree. Those monitors should be up right.

[Medic]

Originally Posted by kasmira

Any reason you have them sideways and not upright? More over, have you tried them with the tweeters on the inside instead of outside?

Can you fill those stands with sand?

I put them sideways just because I'm nervous about these stands. Is it okay to strap them to the stands?

I can put sand bags on the triangle base.

[Medic]

Originally Posted by Glenn Kuras

Yes I agree. Those monitors should be up right.

Noo problem.

So the idea is when you place them on the side, you're putting your head a distorted position. Upright, and you get the sweet spot effect?

[Medic]

Hey all, back again for a good update. I got all the treatment in minus one panel. The first attempt at installing the entire kit was a learning experience to say the least. I really havent done construction for a while and I ran into numerous issues like studs not being in the right place, old school walls etc. To put up the panels that hang on the walls I used small picture frame wall hooks to start. Trying to get the panels onto the wall was a huge headache, but eventually I did it. I still wasn't satisfied with the job though so I went back and got way bigger picture hooks and now the panels are real secure, but easy to take off. The real headache though was the ceiling. Since I did all this alone, and its my first time doing so much of this stuff, I got pretty mad a lot to but it lightly lol. Cussing could be heard out the front of the house. The ceiling hooks was a bullshit situation since the studs in the ceiling were not placed properly. In other words the house I live in was constructed improperly. So I found one stud, got the two hooks in and then had to go and get anchors and hamor them in then screw hooks in. Once again, I did all this on my own, which I don't think was a good idea but...meh. lol.

Right Side Of Room



Left and Front



Cloud



Monster Traps at Back



As you can see some of the panels got dirty being moved around the house. Anyone got a good way of cleaning them?

So the project continues on. I will be ordering this desk soon. Take a look at the photos and let me know how you think its going. As I said before this is my first ever studio build, and I will be using this studio to train and do all sorts of work for the company I am building.

[Rondeath]

nice medic.
let me know what was that absorber in the corner you used. Is it Tri-Trap? I'm asking, because the site of GIK has a video that shows the 244 Bass Trap in the corner;

244 Bass Trap Broadband : GIK Acoustics

what is the difference of using tri-and basstrap 244basstrap in the corner?

[Glenn Kuras]

Originally Posted by Medic

Hey all, back again for a good update. I got all the treatment in minus one panel. The first attempt at installing the entire kit was a learning experience to say the least. I really havent done construction for a while and I ran into numerous issues like studs not being in the right place, old school walls etc. To put up the panels that hang on the walls I used small picture frame wall hooks to start. Trying to get the panels onto the wall was a huge headache, but eventually I did it. I still wasn't satisfied with the job though so I went back and got way bigger picture hooks and now the panels are real secure, but easy to take off. The real headache though was the ceiling. Since I did all this alone, and its my first time doing so much of this stuff, I got pretty mad a lot to but it lightly lol. Cussing could be heard out the front of the house. The ceiling hooks was a bullshit situation since the studs in the ceiling were not placed properly. In other words the house I live in was constructed improperly. So I found one stud, got the two hooks in and then had to go and get anchors and hamor them in then screw hooks in. Once again, I did all this on my own, which I don't think was a good idea but...meh. lol.

Right Side Of Room



Left and Front



Cloud



Monster Traps at Back



As you can see some of the panels got dirty being moved around the house. Anyone got a good way of cleaning them?

So the project continues on. I will be ordering this desk soon. Take a look at the photos and let me know how you think its going. As I said before this is my first ever studio build, and I will be using this studio to train and do all sorts of work for the company I am building.

Yes the ceiling is always a challenge but I have found that the versa hook from ooks (ooks dot com) works pretty well. Also for there picture hangers they also work GREAT.

As far as cleaning just a damp rag is fine.

[Glenn Kuras]

Originally Posted by Rondeath

nice medic.
let me know what was that absorber in the corner you used. Is it Tri-Trap? I'm asking, because the site of GIK has a video that shows the 244 Bass Trap in the corner;

244 Bass Trap Broadband : GIK Acoustics

what is the difference of using tri-and basstrap 244basstrap in the corner?

He is using the Tri Trap. The difference is the Tri Trap absorbs lower then the 244 and they are stack-able. But if you are on a lower budget I do recommend the 244.

[Rondeath]

thanks Glenn for the support.
How big is this difference?
http://www.gikacoustics.com/images/p...505_A_Corr.pdf
Absorption Report GIK Products

Monster and 244 does not absorb below 70 hz and triptrap absorbs until 50hz?

One doubt, these absorbers -> Tri, Monster and 244 are porous absorber or resonant absorbers?

[Glenn Kuras]

Monster and 244 does not absorb below 70 hz and triptrap absorbs until 50hz?

No the Monster does very well down to 50hz where the Tri Trap will go below that.

One doubt, these absorbers -> Tri, Monster and 244 are porous absorber or resonant absorbers?

They are broad band bass traps (velocity) where the Scopus Trap is Tuned (pressure based). We also have a FRD based that is coming soon that I talk about here.
Have nodes through the high midrange ±7db, Another GIK room kit?

[Rondeath]

Really Nice. in fact, want to make the investment one time, not to have to do two times. So I'll try the best option even if it costs more expensive.
Glenn, if i create one Thread soon, with posting my graphics (REW) and a a simple sketchup drawing of my room, u can help to choose the best option and position with this GIK products?
thanks

[Glenn Kuras]

Originally Posted by Rondeath

Really Nice. in fact, want to make the investment one time, not to have to do two times. So I'll try the best option even if it costs more expensive.
Glenn, if i create one Thread soon, with posting my graphics (REW) and a a simple sketchup drawing of my room, u can help to choose the best option and position with this GIK products?
thanks

Actually I would rather you just contact us to work with you. GS is great for a question here and there or DIY stuff but it is hard to give you a complete room layout on a public forum. If you can start by filling out the following room set up form and let us take a look at what you have going on.
GIK Acoustics: Room Setup

[Rondeath]

Thanks so much Glenn, i will do.

[Medic]

Hey all, just a quick update, I am finally really getting to work in my studio and I have to say I have a lot to learn. That being said, even with a couple bugs, this is a great experience. All the equipment is stable, I have all the software and samples I need(minus sound effects), the computer I`m using is very powerful, the desk is excellent for working. I love the work flow with Maschine and a midi piano. Browsing through and testing out instruments is SOOO easy. I had to place my monitors on the top shelf of my desk, which means I need to pick up some absorbers. The room treatment has been effective when I turn off my air conditioner listening to music is very flat and simple. One problem in my room is my metal loft bed, as you would imagine the bass builds up in the metal frame so it kind of rattles when the HSM80`s are turned up. Besides that though, this is kicking ASS. I`ll take more photos soon, after a good cleaning.

[kasmira]

Hey Medic,

Glad you're getting to the tunes!

If your bed is literally rattling, you might be able to fix that simply by looking for any screws that could be tightened and making sure it's not right up against the wall or nightstands, etc.

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[Syncamorea]

Thank you for not posting pictures of the big ass in the window.

I understand the point / counterpoint of DIY vs. buying commercial products, that my time is valuable and that I should buy premade. But the truth is, I get huge enjoyment out of DIY. And I like the ability to do custom tweaks, mods, adjustments, etc. The process of working with wood and tools is therapeutic. Is it wrong to delude oneself into thinking that home made is better, warts and all? However, when someone I meet wants room treatments, I point them at GIK's site or a local acoustician friend because past experience has shown that any reference to DIY will mean that I'll be asked to not only help but provide access to my beloved wood shop. And frankly, that's something I don't have time for. Keep your hands off my Unisaw!!!

[Glenn Kuras]

Originally Posted by Syncamorea

Thank you for not posting pictures of the big ass in the window.

I understand the point / counterpoint of DIY vs. buying commercial products, that my time is valuable and that I should buy premade. But the truth is, I get huge enjoyment out of DIY. And I like the ability to do custom tweaks, mods, adjustments, etc. The process of working with wood and tools is therapeutic. Is it wrong to delude oneself into thinking that home made is better, warts and all? However, when someone I meet wants room treatments, I point them at GIK's site or a local acoustician friend because past experience has shown that any reference to DIY will mean that I'll be asked to not only help but provide access to my beloved wood shop. And frankly, that's something I don't have time for. Keep your hands off my Unisaw!!!

Totally get it.. Some people have the time, skills and knowledge. Some don't. The same can be said about pre amps or really anything else.

[cvriv]

Awesome

[Syncamorea]

Originally Posted by Glenn Kuras

Totally get it.. Some people have the time, skills and knowledge. Some don't. The same can be said about pre amps or really anything else.

You bet. I've gone the route of building electronics and have designed / built pres, amps, microprocessor motherboards, etc., but I just don't enjoy it the same way as working with wood (notice how I left the rock wool and insulation out of the enjoy part?). Soldering isn't as much fun as Gorilla Glue!

[andrebrito]

In my opinion you should use DIY treatment and get advise from an acoustical designer

[Medic]

Hey guys sorry the updates have been so slow. I probably wouldn't even keep coming back like this if it wasn't for the fact I've seen so many threads in my life where people promise to keep updating, but they never do, drives me nuts, lol.



This is the current state of my home studio. As I said above, its been working great, I know I'm breaking some rules here I need to get some shock absorbers for the Yamaha's but I'm still loving the stability.

Now I've done some recordings with the SM7B, and they are coming out very roomy. There is also of course a lot of room noise, the computer and other things plus I haven't managed to ground my steinberg ur28m. The poor vocals is not surprising to me, as I know the room still could use more treatment and I have a mini fridge in here, a loft bed, a filing cabinet. Ultimately I'm doing the best I can with the space I have. So I'm trying to figure out a way to get some sort of spot in the room setup for getting some nice dry vocals with minimal bleed.

I also have the option of using the room beside this one, treating that room, and turning it into a vocal room, however; that will probably be more expensive. Im willing to purchase more treatment if necessary, including movable panels for a sweet vocal spot and if people tell me its the best plan to just use the second room I have, then I'm down for that as well. The second room by the way is 9' X 11', when you enter the room you're facing the long way with a window on the opposite end.

Glenn, if I could get your guys help again it would be much appreciated. The goal is to get as DRY vocals as I can possibly get. Like I want the room to be KILLED but I also know better than doing some sort of closet setup. What I was wondering was if it was possible to take like six monster traps on stands and create kind of a circle around the microphone, put it on some carpet, and hang some traps above. Does that make sense?

[OpusOfTrolls]

Originally Posted by Medic

Hey guys sorry the updates have been so slow. I probably wouldn't even keep coming back like this if it wasn't for the fact I've seen so many threads in my life where people promise to keep updating, but they never do, drives me nuts, lol.


This is the current state of my home studio. As I said above, its been working great, I know I'm breaking some rules here I need to get some shock absorbers for the Yamaha's but I'm still loving the stability.

Now I've done some recordings with the SM7B, and they are coming out very roomy. There is also of course a lot of room noise, the computer and other things plus I haven't managed to ground my steinberg ur28m. The poor vocals is not surprising to me, as I know the room still could use more treatment and I have a mini fridge in here, a loft bed, a filing cabinet. Ultimately I'm doing the best I can with the space I have. So I'm trying to figure out a way to get some sort of spot in the room setup for getting some nice dry vocals with minimal bleed.

I also have the option of using the room beside this one, treating that room, and turning it into a vocal room, however; that will probably be more expensive. Im willing to purchase more treatment if necessary, including movable panels for a sweet vocal spot and if people tell me its the best plan to just use the second room I have, then I'm down for that as well. The second room by the way is 9' X 11', when you enter the room you're facing the long way with a window on the opposite end.

Glenn, if I could get your guys help again it would be much appreciated. The goal is to get as DRY vocals as I can possibly get. Like I want the room to be KILLED but I also know better than doing some sort of closet setup. What I was wondering was if it was possible to take like six monster traps on stands and create kind of a circle around the microphone, put it on some carpet, and hang some traps above. Does that make sense?

Panels around the mic will work. Remember the ceiling, you need a panel above the mic too.