Originally Posted by Jeff Morgan
Oh my ROD!
Did i strike a nerve there? Did not mean to.
Jeff -you have no where near the talent or knowledge to strike a nerve here...
All i am saying is that with all your knowledge and experience you sent the guy back to square one: "Ask someone who knows".
Meanwhile all your questions were pretty much irrelevant:
Steve did not ask WHY his room is not working - he asked WHAT TO DO?
I really hope you keep posting here - because I could probably write a whole book just about everything you get wrong.,....
Before you can advise anyone on how to fix a problem -first you have to determine what is wrong - if you can't do that you can not offer any assistance that would be considered intelligent......
And instead of getting some kind of advice he was first ridiculed for making vague contract with the Contractor and then given lectures for what he SHOULD HAVE DONE. Everyone has a 20/20 vision in a hindsight.
Hey - he came in attacking the contractor - we simply explained to him that if the info he gave us was an accurate representation of what he told the contractor - then he was just as much to blame as the contractor was.
I am sure that General Contractor sang a good song and told Steve that everything will be tip-top and he was doing it for 100 years or so.
As for your reference to 30K job - it is totally irrelevant. He was not discussing the budget, he was asking for a practical advice. What is done is done, this is a new starting piont.
Perhaps - perhaps not.
First off - the budget is always germane, if it is not realistic then it is meaningless - and it is always more expensive to fix it when things go wrong then to do it right the first time
Perhaps there is work worth salvaging - (which is indeed the case here) and sometimes there is no work worth saving - in which case the "starting point" becomes the expense to remove all of the existing work - it is not always possible to add onto something and improve it to the point that it will be acceptable.
So whatever is in the walls - is in there, foam or gold. Unless you want to demolish everything -you have to accept this as a new Starting point. Yes it is helpful to know what is in there - may be he could gently remove teh sheetrock with minimal damage and replace the foam with rockwool or whatever, but you did not suggest that. You were simply drilling him with no practical outcome.
LOL - bullshit - it is not just helpful to know what exists - it is critical information without which no one can offer the least amount of assistance.
Apparently I was "drilling him" with a very practical outcome - he now knows exactly what needs to be done - and also what does not need to be done.....
BTW - just for the record - I was not drilling him at all - I was attempting to get him to do one of 2 things - either provide us with some very detailed useful data so we might have enough information to actually assist him - or (and this was much more my intent) convince him to hire a local pro to assess his situation.
Would not you agree that Isolating HVAC duct is the first thing he should do before proceeding to anything else? = This is what i suggested. If this works ( enough for him not to hear his radio) - then he is done. if it does not, then he should look at doing something about the walls, ceiling, floor. Is there something wrong with that approach?
There is something wrong with any approach that does not first physically identify the problem.
What you are suggesting is an ad-hoc approach to this - not a systematic scientific examination of the root cause of the problem - which is why I keep repeating that he needs to get an expert there - anyone can suggest a bunch of approaches - all of which will cost him cash - none of which is guaranteed to solve the problem - however each step will cost him money.
As for your insinuations about the blankets, if you think that defamation of others adds respect to your personality, that sounds like a kindergarden name calling.
LMFAO - I insinuated nothing - I never spoke about the quality of your product - neither positive or negative comments in that regard.
Nor did I defame you or the firm you are representing - defamation is a false and unprivileged statement of fact that is harmful to someone's reputation, and published "with fault," meaning as a result of negligence or malice.
I did not make a single false statement regarding your product - the characteristics you are speaking about in regard to your product are those related to an acoustic absorber - acoustic absorbers are not sound proofing products.
As I stated - I did not choose the name - I simply observed it.......
The blankets are the best on the market with NRC 0.8, tested by two independent Acoustic labs, they are larger than any other competitive blankets and priced far less.
So on the price and Value they are the best buy.
Best is always in the eye of the beholder - trust me when I tell you that your competitors will not agree with you that yours are the best - in fact I am quite certain they will claim that theirs are the best on the market - so your claim is pretty meaningless to me - especially since I have no use for them - nor can I ever imagine a point in time where I WILL have any use for them.
What they called does not matter - what matter is that they work.
They were designed to match the needs of the actual producers and recording professionals untill they said "Do not change anything, they are perfect".
Ah - sorry but I have to disagree here..........
It most certainly does matter what they are called........ that's one of the way that things end up on the voodoo list...... (and yes there really is a voodoo list)
An unsuspecting person doing a general web search for soundproofing materials will certainly turn up your product......
Now, any reasonably intelligent person who has even a small amount of acoustic knowledge will immediately recognize that your product serves no real purpose in soundproofing - BUT - a person without a clue may well think this is just the ticket to provide the soundproofing they need - and buy a product that will not actually provide what it's name would suggest it is made to do.
That comes real close to deceptive advertising....... perhaps I will have a friend take a look at that and see what he thinks.
I am not making fun of your "2psf" blabbery. "psf" if what you meant was "pound per Square foot" is a unit to measure pressure, not the weight, density or mass. When i said that MLV weight is comparable to lead i was talking about mass, weight, density. These are the factors that stop sound. "Pressure" is what sound waves exerts on a barrier.
Any isolation product is discussed relating to the density of the material's mass - whether it's drywall, lead, MLV, etc., etc., etc., the weight is defined in pounds per square foot (that is psf.) here in the States.
When you deal with absorbent products you define density in at pcf (pounds per cubic foot) here in the States
When you look at the physical intensity of sound it would be SPL (Sound Pressure Level)
So i suggest you stay on topic.
I was very on topic - in fact I am quite happy to see that the OP followed my advice - and is finally getting back on track.....
I also find it interesting that my comments to him regarding the insulation was spot on - and that none of what you suggested as a starting point were anything the consultant considered.
Had he followed your advice rather than mine his cost would have exceeded (by far) the $300 the consultant cost him, and he would have touched walls that don't need to be touched.
I did not see that you have any special education in Acoustic engineering, but it seems that you have experience (which is important) so use that constructively to help people, not to show off.
Nor did you see that I don't have an education in acoustic engineering - in fact you know nothing whatsoever about my educational background...... a lack of information on your part does not equate to you having knowledge of a thing.
And Steve, Just start with the HVAC duct. See what happens. Any kindergardener knows that if you speak in one end of a pipe you will be heard everywhere that pipe leads to. Make the easy and obvious fix first.
BTW - just for the record - every child in kindergarten might
believe that - however it is not necessarily true - and anyone with even a simple understanding of mechanics would know that.
All in all it's nice to see an expert has advised him what to do with the duct - his recommendations will actually work - but then again - in your defense - he (the expert) has knowledge of what the real issues are here.