5th May 2012
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#1 | | Gear interested
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Thread Starter | Will I be ok with the Yamaha HS80M monitors with my setup (pic attached)
I currently have the M-Audio BX5a monitors and I'm less then impressed with them. They don't sound very natural and I have a really tough time mixing the low frequencies on these. I've spent enough time searching on here to see that the Yamaha HS80M monitors would be a worthwhile upgrade from my current monitors.
However, my office desk also serves as my mixing desk, but it offers less then ideal speaker placement. As you can see in the pictures, I have a limited amount of room to place the monitor. The BX5a's I currently have are also much smaller then the HS80M's I'm thinking of getting. Height wise, I would have to remove the top shelf and it would just fit. Width wise I'd have about 1" of space on the sides of the speaker. And if I get angled cables so that I can push the monitor all the way back to the back wall of the desk, it would stick out about 1.5 inches (before I even try to angle it slightly).
Basically, they're huge for the space I have but they can fit. But I'm worried that because there's so little space on the back and sides that it's not even worth investing in these monitors? Maybe I should go for something smaller that better fits in my desk? There's a pair of JBL's I could get that have gotten decent reviews and fit similar to my BX5a's, but the HS80M's seem like the ones to get based on my $500-$600 budget for the pair.
If I do get the HS80M's with my current setup, I could one of the two things help?
1.) Place some sort of sound dampening material on the back wall that the monitor would be placed against? I'm worried that the rear port on the HS80M's is going to give me some odd sounding bass since it's sitting so close to that wall.
2.) I can cut out part of that back wall and that would allow the rear port some room to breath. Not sure if that's worth it though, and I can't cut out too much because some parts of the wall are used to support the desk.
Any thoughts on what would be best for my current setup besides buying a new desk?
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5th May 2012
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#2 | | Gear interested
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Another option I'm not considering is removing the hutch completely (the top part of the desk) and instead finding some sort of desk mounted speaker stands. Ideally ones that have 2U or 4U rackmounts. That would probably me my best (and maybe only) option besides buying a new desk right?
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5th May 2012
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#3 | | Gear maniac
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This is an honest reply:
Either skip the new monitors and buy a better desk for mixing or get the HM50s and use the rest towards a better desk for mixing.
Trust me. When I went from a plastic card table to my current mixing desk it made a huge difference. Studio RTA Creation Station Studio Desk is a good start. Its cheap but looks professional. Youll love it.
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5th May 2012
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#4 | | Gear interested
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Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by lostwars This is an honest reply:
Either skip the new monitors and buy a better desk for mixing or get the HM50s and use the rest towards a better desk for mixing.
Trust me. When I went from a plastic card table to my current mixing desk it made a huge difference. Studio RTA Creation Station Studio Desk is a good start. Its cheap but looks professional. Youll love it. | Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, I don't thin the HM50's aren't an option. From everything I've read here, they lack proper bass response and they're also harsh and hard to listen to for more then 2 hours.
A buddy of mine actually has the Studio RTA Creation Station Studio desk and it is nice (especially for the price). Unfortunately, it won't fit my dual 24" monitors with the HS80M's.
I did find this desk which gives me exactly what I want (speaker stands, room for both my monitors (which aren't raised off the desk), some rackmount space, and a great adjustable keyboard tray. Problem is, that costs $2,100 which is more then I'm willing to spend right now: http://www.kkaudio.com/warner.html
I think you're right though... those HS80M's won't fit/work with my current desk. But, the desk itself is fine, it's just the hutch that's giving me issues. I've had this desk for 10+ years now and it's survived 4 moves and I really do like it.
I think if I remove the hutch and put two of these on my desk (to raise the speakers) I should be OK for now (until I can afford a proper desk like the KK Audio one I linked to above): Closet: Storage Cubes: Black Wood: Stacking Cubes: Cube with Shelf
What do you think?
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6th May 2012
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#5 | | Lives for gear
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Perhaps grab the 50s along with the sub to pair with em. Some good friends use the same setup to write dubstep and their bass in their tracks is always spot on. I don't personally think the 50s are more harsh than the 80s..they're both quite painstakingly harsh IMO. I hate mixing on them.
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6th May 2012
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#6 | | Lives for gear
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Also, more than likely, the less than ideal bass response you're getting could be largely due to your room acoustics
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6th May 2012
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#7 | | Gear interested
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Originally Posted by kasmira Perhaps grab the 50s along with the sub to pair with em. Some good friends use the same setup to write dubstep and their bass in their tracks is always spot on. I don't personally think the 50s are more harsh than the 80s..they're both quite painstakingly harsh IMO. I hate mixing on them.
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using Gearslutz App | I thought of getting a sub with the 50's... but with my room setup I don't have room to properly place the sub. My room is an office first, studio second... so I have to make some sacrifices. I've also heard people mentioned the 50's and 80's were harsh (although it seems like 50/50 on the 50's being harsh and maybe only 5% saying that 80's were harsh. Another monitor in my range would be the KRK which gets some love on this site, but I saw a lot of people complained that it sounded electronic... like a normal computer speaker... so that pushed me away from that.
And I agree on my current speakers not having great bass response with my acoustics. There's a certain frequency in this room that gives me a lot of trouble. But that's another reason why I like the Yamaha's. I'm hoping some of those room correction settings on the back can help me out with that issue.
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7th May 2012
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#8 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Sheekamoo I'm hoping some of those room correction settings on the back can help me out with that issue. | Most speakers have correction EQs on the back. This will not fix the issue at all.
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29th May 2012
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#9 | | Lives for gear
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Forget about translation unless you can move speakers and mixspot for the most linear response.
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29th May 2012
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#10 | | Jack of all Trades
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I don't care what speaker you get - that desk and speaker placement is BAD for trying to get a good mix.
Either get rid of the top section and put the speakers on stands, or get a new desk (and still put the speakers on stands  )
I have a thread for making some incredibly nice speaker stands for about $60. Check it out - DIY Monitor Stands (PVC Pipe)
I also own the HS80's. They were harsh on me until I figured out to cut the -2 on the High End, now I'm back to loving them.
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29th May 2012
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#11 | | Gear interested
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Yep, you guys were right.
I removed the hutch from the desk and got some desk shelves instead so that I can set my monitors on top of the shelves. With my old speakers, this made a dramatic difference in the sound quality. Specifically, the bass was no longer as strong and flubby sounding (which is a good thing).
Since then, I have upgraded from the BX5a's to the Focal CMS65's and have been nothing but happy with everything  . Eventually I'll look into getting a better desk that is a bit wider and would allow me to lower the speakers down a bit closer to my ear level. But for now, I'm pretty happy with this setup.
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29th May 2012
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#12 | | Lives for gear
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Awesome! Can you cut the stands down a bit? Those look like they fire over the top of your head..you may want to get some Auralex Mo-Pads to angle them down at your ears (and decouple a bit from the desk)
I would say the next upgrade for you would be dedicated speaker stands. The desk looks nice enough to not warrant really needing a new one till you need to house hardware. Speaker stands can be made at home for $50, or bought for ~$100-$200 a pair.
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29th May 2012
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#13 | | Gear interested
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Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by kasmira Awesome! Can you cut the stands down a bit? Those look like they fire over the top of your head..you may want to get some Auralex Mo-Pads to angle them down at your ears (and decouple a bit from the desk)
I would say the next upgrade for you would be dedicated speaker stands. The desk looks nice enough to not warrant really needing a new one till you need to house hardware. Speaker stands can be made at home for $50, or bought for ~$100-$200 a pair. | I can't cut them down... and even if I did, they would then sit behind my LCD Monitors a bit which would deflect some of the sound. They're as low as I can have them with my current desk.
And they are on Aurlex Mopads angled down as far as the mopads will allow  . In my normal seating position they do fire a bit over my head. But when I sit back in the sweet spot (equal distances from speakers to my head), they're nearly spot on.
I don't have room on either side of my desk for speaker stands, so for now they need to stay on the stands on top of my desk. In order to get the speakers lower, I would need to push the speakers out wider then my desk currently allows... which would mean either a new desk, or I would need to re-arrange what I have against this wall so that I can fit speaker stands (neither of which are an option right now).
I think my next step would likely be treating my room. But for now, I'm happy with this setup and I'd like to stick with it for at least a couple of months to get a feel for everything.
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29th May 2012
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#14 | | Lives for gear
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*Lupo´s (Andreas) room (desk) comes in mind
Ciro
*Bump it gain to Andreas floor reflection point treatment . I did it in my room this week (with 2x2 8" rockwool for each side).
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30th May 2012
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#15 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Sheekamoo And they are on Aurlex Mopads angled down as far as the mopads will allow  . | Ah, okay then! Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheekamoo I think my next step would likely be treating my room. | Well, speaker positioning and placement, as well as speaker stands would more than likely be the first step in treating your room Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheekamoo But for now, I'm happy with this setup | Awesome!
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2nd June 2012
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#16 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by ciro *Lupo´s (Andreas) room (desk) comes in mind
Ciro
*Bump it gain to Andreas floor reflection point treatment . I did it in my room this week (with 2x2 8" rockwool for each side). | Show me your mastering setup 2011
Another example of floor reflection point treatment.
Ciro
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3rd June 2012
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#17 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Sheekamoo
I did find this desk which gives me exactly what I want (speaker stands, room for both my monitors (which aren't raised off the desk), some rackmount space, and a great adjustable keyboard tray. Problem is, that costs $2,100 which is more then I'm willing to spend right now: KK Audio Inc. | Warner Bros. | $2100 seems ridiculously expensive for such a cheaply built.....and looking studio desk.  You could have a local craftsman/carpenter build you something like that for much less.
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