Please help me identify the Basstraps/Acoustic Panels in this video?

[NAB11]

Hello everyone,


I saw this video on Youtube of Afrojack (DJ/House producer) and was wondering what the company/brand name of the absorption panels/traps all around his room are. Here is a link:

Sidney Samson visites Afrojack in the studio - YouTube

Also, I was wondering the same thing for these next producers. The corner foam bass traps are HUGE ;p. Would love to know what brand the absorption panels and bass traps are made by in this vid as well (make sure to get a good view of their backwall between 1:09 to 1:11) :

Preview: Tiësto vs. Diplo ft. Busta Rhymes - C'mon (Sunnery James & Ryan Marciano Remix) - YouTube


Also, I've done a TON of research on studio acoustics, so I know my options regarding DIY or even using products such as GIK/realtraps, as well as the fundamentals of placement, and room sizing, the downsides of foam vs fiberglass vs etc. etc. ;p I just want to know what these products are that these House producers are using in the game.

Thanks!! :-)

[2pulse]

Originally Posted by NAB11

Hello everyone,


I saw this video on Youtube of Afrojack (DJ/House producer) and was wondering what the company/brand name of the absorption panels/traps all around his room are. Here is a link:

Sidney Samson visites Afrojack in the studio - YouTube

Primacoustic Acoustic Solutions

Just rigid fiberboard...

[NAB11]

Thanks..!!:-) yea thought they were primacoustics...

Anyone know what the panels/traps in the 2nd vid were??

[junya-eskimo]

Hi mate.

Looks like the most basic panel absorber..

Going on the size of the studios, I would not imagine they are more than meets the eye..

Both of them.

I also make electronic music. Also know Afro Jack.

I always refer to the similar mix artists have in different genres as the FRAME.

Drum and bass has a frame, Rock has a Frame ect ect. Tracks vary in stule but they normally follow the same idea sound wise.

House music Never really has Hi volume, Constant sub bass like "Pendulum" for example.

the only constant element in the track that has sub frequency at LOUD volume is the Kick drum.

So this means you can treat low LOW end in a little less detail than the music i am making for example. Constant sub tones, Very Loud but in ratio.

those panels you see in thier place would probably not do anything to frequencies lower than 90.. Maybe 80 if they are tweeked. but i doubt it.

House music, at lease modern house music. has a frame Where the kick is lowest frequency , and White noise is the highest.

There is almost ALWAYS a massive hole in the 250-350 hrtz Area. and then a TON of 500 Hrtz , from there its a smooth slope down to 20k.

If i was you, and of course it depends on your room. Make sure you have 50 - 60 Hrtz in order and of course its octaves (100-120 hrtz).

That meaning the traps they have in those vids wont do that for you.. Maybe just the upper octaves. They are not deep enough...They look 4".

And the 500 hrtz are in order. 500hrtz is not bass, but its a massive factor in house, especially for those side chaining PEAK volume melodies.

the rest of house music is pretty low as far as "bass goes".. Its mostly kick..

You kicks lows should be around 250 hrtz down to 50..

In my personal opinion, and this is in NO WAY an insult to fantastic companies LIKE Real Traps or GIK,they are far superior to anything we can buil, their traps are amazingly advanced, Go custom..

Do it Yourself. .. As music has evolved so must the method. Kick drums are not peaking at 90 hrtz these days.., Not in house anyway. they are Peaking LOW.. Very low..

So even that these companies offer great products, i don't think it will compliment the fundamental frequencies you wanna be in control of, you would have to have them custom make you something from sound measurements. That can be pricey.

you need to customize you studio to make electronic music and these days electronic music need to be "bang on precise" with the mix..

Make big DEEP traps for the bass/sub, as big as our room permits, learn how to make them and do it. make some smaller ones for your 120 hrtz Area those can be 4".

The only reason i say this is because of the types of traps you had your eye on, and the fact that those artists making THAT music draws you towards them.

That's what i think anyway.

[NAB11]

Wow junya, thanks for the great insight.

I realized that all these acoustic products don't treat the very low frequencies, but primacoustics CLAIM that their stuff goes as low as between 50 to 80 Hz. I haven't done the testing myself, so whether or not their research is valid or reliable is another thing..I know that GIK and real traps pretty much let u know that it's hard to treat the very low frequencies.

Just some questions from what u said..
When you said that "There is almost ALWAYS a massive hole in the 250-350 hrtz Area. and then a TON of 500 Hrtz , from there its a smooth slope down to 20k" are you saying that the room is naturally like that or that I should find a way to tune the frequencies of the room like that (specifically for house music?). I'm assuming that you are saying the room is naturally like that and those are the frequencies I need to treat.

Also how can i "Make sure you have 50 - 60 Hrtz in order and of course its octaves (100-120 hrtz)" as well as making the 500 hrtz In order?

My room is a rectangle shape in my basement with a room width of 9 feet and room length of 16 feet , and the height is about 10 feet I believe.

I did my research on 'making your own bass traps/acoustic panels', but what do you recommend for DIY acoustical stuff? As in what are the best kind of materials (fiberglass, etc) and thickness needed to really crack down on the lower frequencies as well as the 500 hrtz range/ or DIY products that I can make specially for House&electronic music? I am definitely not worried about taking up space I just want a room as acoustically fit as I can make it for house.

I'm assuming that I should return/sell my auralex products now...lol ;p

Thanks a lot for your response though, definitely changing my perspective

[junya-eskimo]

Hi mate.
About the 250-300 Hrtz and 500 thing, I was referring to the mix of the tracks..

One problem i had in a studio was i had a HUGE dip or drop in the acoutics of the room around 220 - 300.. So i would push volume on eq there, hearing almost no difference, i could push way way too much.. this makes the music Boxy and the "RATIO" of Low mid and HI was fuc**d.... Its an important area of the mix, its the line between mids and bass... if the line is wrong both ends of the track will suffer..

by having this area clean and healthy you will naturally know how much 500 - 1000 you need and also for 100 - to 50... if you have Auralex "BASS TRAPS" , those corner blocks, they can possibly help level out the 250-300 area, at least enough.

So it can be usefull, dont get rid of it just yet.. Its still a good product after all.

About the Low Low end.. 50 - 60.. I am just about to embark on an adventure to build a few tunes traps, which are traps tunes to a specific problematic frequency in a friends studio.. There are a few types, some are easier than others to make. and some effect a WIDER area of frequencies around the problematic frequency than others..

I know or at least knew the bare minimum whenit comes to math, but i just started to learn how to make the equations.

if space is no issue. I would recommend trapping as much of the back wall as you can. With 12 Inch traps filled with RIGID fiber glass panels. Unless you test the room you wont know any frequencies to target unless you always notice the room on fire at a specific note.. The Membrane trap is a tuned bas trap with a wide "broadband" q range.. it will ..Its just a frame with fiberglass , the depth of the trap and the Mass in Square foot lbs will determine what frequency its tuned to.

Going on your room dimensions, and this is a rough way to do it....You can calculate the low frequencies that you room will generate by Dividing 1130 by the length of your wall x 2.

1130 is the speed of sound in feet in a normal room...so..

9x10

9 Feet x 2 = 18....1130/18 = 62.7 Hrtz
10 feet x 2 = 20 .... 1130/20 = 56.5 hrtz

So places in you room will have a mix of 62.7 and 56.5 Hrtz volume spikes... When you get a spike in one frequencies you can be sure to get a dip in anouther.. depending on you speaker setup, it can change , but will still exist.

i am not sure how it works with the ceiling. prob the same way..

So there you have it.. 50 and 60 comes into play again... its very common..

If you use an analyzer and a mic you can test it out, but without going into mad detail. a few traps around 10 - 14 Inch of fiberglass will start sorting out your 50 and 60 area. its the depth that matters..The size up and down or left to right will only be how effective it is.

It can only be good...

[NAB11]

Sorry to beat at this again& be such a newbie, but regarding the 250-300 Hrtz and 500 Hz thing, U mean to say the house producers PURPOSELY mix the track that way bc it sounds best, and those specific frequencies are bad for the mix?

Also, my room dimensions are 16 by 9, not 9 by 10, so actually I will have spikes around 30 Hz and 50 Hz :S is it possible to control frequencies around 30 Hz you think?

And when you say "14 inches" for the fiberglass, you mean the Thickness correct? You said to place them on the back wall (which is usually where diffusers are placed) but I understand from previous knowledge that the lower frequencies build up more in the corners...so I think that building that Fiberglass to cover the corners will be most efficient in controlling those unwanted spikes. You should give it a try and see what difference it makes, if any perhaps.

I'm going to do more research on the forum, but I am very interested in your opinions&knowledge on this subject.

Thanks again mate:-)