My studio almost finished

[Tonio Ruiz]

Hi guys

My new studio is almost ready, everything is done but the doors, CR diffuser, and some stuff, the whole construction thread is in the diary forum but her are some pics of what we've got so far

thanx for all the advices and suggestions thumbsup

[Rick Sutton]

Looks very nice. Congratulations!

[Musiclab]

pretty , congrats!

[Sultan of Swing]

I checked out your construction thread recently. I have to say, yours is certainly one of the most elegant and beautiful smaller studios I have seen. The design and execution seem flawless. You should be very proud and I'm sure you will enjoy working there.

[Tonio Ruiz]

thanks tons for your kind words, I am indeed trying to get the best possible out of a limited budget, I'm up to the neck in debt but I'm as happy as a kid in toy's r us with the studio, I've learn so much in this wonderful forum, and still it is a long way to go

hugs for everyone

[DanDan]

Well done, a great look and finish. Can you come over and do my place :-)
A caveat, as far as I can tell from the photo... those speakers would be better placed on stands behind the console. The current setup looks to me like you will have a direct bounce off your console to your ear. Not good.
If the speakers are on stands you can vary the height and distance, using a mirror to ensure there is no direct bounce.
DD

[Tonio Ruiz]

Originally Posted by DanDan

Well done, a great look and finish. Can you come over and do my place :-)
A caveat, as far as I can tell from the photo... those speakers would be better placed on stands behind the console. The current setup looks to me like you will have a direct bounce off your console to your ear. Not good.
If the speakers are on stands you can vary the height and distance, using a mirror to ensure there is no direct bounce.
DD

yes DanDan, thank u, I'm well aware of that and I absolutely most do something about it, I'm just analyzing the extra space that would be between the speaker stands and the window wall, that's the only way in to the liveroom, I'm very concern about that, so, I have 2 choices, 1. speaker stands behind de console, or 2. those recoil stabilizers from primacoustic, that raise the height of the speakers enough to avoid that mirror effect reflection thing... what would you recommend?

[Bad Radio]

Brilliant use of color and lighting!!

[DanDan]

I would use the mirror trick to determine if there is a problem and exactly where it is.
Perhaps you could just sit back a bit when critical listening or some other position change. How about a more radical height change, build a platform over the meter bridge and the the Recoils.
Comb Filtering is evil
Do the mirror bit extensively. I am sure you know this stuff already, but I will trot it out anyway for browsers. Place a small flat mirror on your console. Sit in your mix spot. If you can see the tweeter, Houston we have a problem. Try sitting back, tweeter gone? workable perhaps. Move around a bit to cover all of your sweet spot. Move the mirror around also.
Some ideas.
Recoil Stab, sure, or there are thicker alternatives.
Speaker Stand on rubber wheels? Move them as needed. Towersonic have nice ones.
Then getting crazy, hang them from the ceiling? Chains I suppose and a heavy platform, plus a layer of foam, neoprene or the Recoils.
DD

[Tonio Ruiz]

Originally Posted by DanDan

I would use the mirror trick to determine if there is a problem and exactly where it is.
Perhaps you could just sit back a bit when critical listening or some other position change. How about a more radical height change, build a platform over the meter bridge and the the Recoils.
Comb Filtering is evil
Do the mirror bit extensively. I am sure you know this stuff already, but I will trot it out anyway for browsers. Place a small flat mirror on your console. Sit in your mix spot. If you can see the tweeter, Houston we have a problem. Try sitting back, tweeter gone? workable perhaps. Move around a bit to cover all of your sweet spot. Move the mirror around also.
Some ideas.
Recoil Stab, sure, or there are thicker alternatives.
Speaker Stand on rubber wheels? Move them as needed. Towersonic have nice ones.
Then getting crazy, hang them from the ceiling? Chains I suppose and a heavy platform, plus a layer of foam, neoprene or the Recoils.
DD

wow pretty neat stuff, thank u, I'll do the mirror thing... plus, the guy who designed the studio has some neat designs on speaker stands with neoprene and a lot of decoupling stuff... I think I'll go that way, I appreciate a lot your suggestions mate... thanx

[Scoobz]

hey tonio,

Congratulations on an amazing space, it looks absolutely amazing, I'm quietly jealous

Funny that Dan should post that link (thanks DD), when I first saw your room I thought it was a shame you went to all that effort with treatment and then put your speakers where they are.

In my experience it's really important to experiment with speaker placement. Space isn't an issue for you so you've got lots of room to play with.

I think about a foot up and back would work for you too and might be worth trying out.

Let us know how it goes.

[Tonio Ruiz]

Originally Posted by Scoobz

hey tonio,

Congratulations on an amazing space, it looks absolutely amazing, I'm quietly jealous

Funny that Dan should post that link (thanks DD), when I first saw your room I thought it was a shame you went to all that effort with treatment and then put your speakers where they are.

In my experience it's really important to experiment with speaker placement. Space isn't an issue for you so you've got lots of room to play with.

I think about a foot up and back would work for you too and might be worth trying out.

Let us know how it goes.

I am flattered thanks a lot Skoobz,

I am definitely not done with the speaker placement, and of course I am considering all the nice options you guys are giving me, but hey, a whole foot up? really? cause right now they are at 39' height from the floor, and I am thinking 46' height and a foot back will do, higher than that will leave the speaker too high for me, after all I'm not tall at all, I am like 5'8 at the most and while sitting my ears are about 49' from the floor

what do u think? plus, I've read that the speakers should not be in the exact middle of any wall to wall, or ceiling to floor, so I'm trying to avoid that also

I'll keep you posted, first of all I need my doors done, then I'll go for the speaker stands, can U believe it is an incredibly hard task to find good speaker stands (studio type) here in my "beloved" country? it sucks, there is nothing here, we need to import everything. I need the have them built for me

let it rock baby!!!

[Scoobz]

firstly this isn't scientific, is drawn freehand (eg not measuring angles) and is just to illustrate a point and shows what works for me.

That said, alot of people have their speakers on the bridge....



Alot of people move them back on stands......



What works for me is this.........



That's the thinking behind it, try it out it might work for ya

[Tonio Ruiz]

I saw your pic from your studio, it does look kinda cool with the speakers that way,

I haven't notice any phasing or whatever at my studio, I actually have mixed some albums on that same console and speaker placement but in my prior room, which was untreated by the way... and it all came out pretty good,

anyway, this time I want to do it right and I am learning from your experience, I'll try different things and see which ones suites better

you rock!!!

[DanDan]

Comb filtering is static, it might not sound phasey. We can adapt and work with almost any scenario. The brain is quite a powerful piece of outboard! If you remove the comb filtering life will become much better...;-) If you end up with the speakers quite high, remember to look up when listening critically. The ear is height directional.
FuzzMeasure or REW would help greatly in deciding optimum positions.
DD

[TimeBandit]

Why dont you move you racks to your right side so that you dont have to walk behind the console to get into the live room,and then you can put the speakers on stands behind the console?Is there some reason why you put your racks on the left in front of the door?

[Tonio Ruiz]

Originally Posted by TimeBandit

Why dont you move you racks to your right side so that you dont have to walk behind the console to get into the live room,and then you can put the speakers on stands behind the console?Is there some reason why you put your racks on the left in front of the door?

nice question, and yes, I did tried that on sketch but the rack ended up right in the middle of the doorway, and I will get a bigger rack sometime soon, so, how it is right now was the only option,

believe me, I tried everything from moving the gear, moving the door, trying to put the door in the back wall but none of that was possible, I dig what u say, I'm not very happy doing that walk in front of the board but that's the only way

I was limited by the permit of using the space, and some beams and construction issues that left me with almost no options

I appreciate your thoughts

[Tonio Ruiz]

Originally Posted by DanDan

Comb filtering is static, it might not sound phasey. We can adapt and work with almost any scenario. The brain is quite a powerful piece of outboard! If you remove the comb filtering life will become much better...;-) If you end up with the speakers quite high, remember to look up when listening critically. The ear is height directional.
FuzzMeasure or REW would help greatly in deciding optimum positions.
DD

Got it... I'll consider al of that DD, thank u so much, I'll try to get comfy with the speakers no so high but like at any other good studio, it's like more natural to me that way, but yeah, I need to be aware of everything

[Melgueil]

Looks great - even inspirational I would say - nice work

cdlt

[AwwDeOhh]

Tonio Ruiz,
Nice studio you got there.
I especially like the atmosphere. That's real important, and often overlooked in many studios. It creates a nice relaxed, creative mood for the performer. Well done!
thumbsup

[Philgood101]

Congratulations looks kick ass pro!
-Phil

[Tonio Ruiz]

Originally Posted by Melgueil

Looks great - even inspirational I would say - nice work

cdlt

merci my friend

[Tonio Ruiz]

Originally Posted by AwwDeOhh

Tonio Ruiz,
Nice studio you got there.
I especially like the atmosphere. That's real important, and often overlooked in many studios. It creates a nice relaxed, creative mood for the performer. Well done!
thumbsup

Originally Posted by Philgood101

Congratulations looks kick ass pro!
-Phil

wow thank u guys, I really appreciate it, it has been a big effort from the studio designer, the acustic treatment builder and myself trying to get everything done the best possible way... you are all welcome to the opening party

as soon as the doors are done of course