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Old 14th November 2008   #1
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Rebuild it or Improve it?

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I posted a thread a while ago about my control room being improved (I did the same in the tracking room too after that). Anyway, after years of using this space I thought I'd move from it within the end of 2008 but a lot of things happened in the past months and it seems that I won't be able to fulfill my dream of having a brand new studio built from the ground up. I already had a few sketches on the drawing board, a couple partners to go for it and all of a sudden it all went up in vapor fumes.
That means that I'll have to live with what I got for a long while, so I sat down and decided it was time to finally think about soundproofing the right way.

My studio was built around 2000, on the first floor of a concrete building. The floor, the ceiling, everything is made off concrete. Walls are brick with some sort of insulation in between them. I got wood floors glued onto the concrete. And what I got in the end? Zero isolation from outside noise. If I'm tracking drums you can hear them quite clearly on the outside. If I'm blasting away in the control room is just about the same.

So here are the main points I came up with:

1. Outside noise is killin me, the studio is right in the middle of and industrial zone and in the past three years a lot of new factories showed up, all of them making noises all the day long. One of them is a truck deposit, they leave in the morning from 5 to 9 and return back in the afternoon and later. Everytime a truck pass by (right in front of my control room window, about 8 meters away) the whole building is shaking.

2. I have very low isolation between control room and tracking room. If I shut down the monitors I can hear the drums punding while tracking, the kick drum is flyin' right thru my feet if I'm sitting at the desk.

3. On top of all of these, my house is in the same building, the kitchen wall is right behind my control room front wall, the dining room wall is right there behind the tracking room. I got two babies now and my working hours are from 1PM to around 11PM (maybe midnight). You can hear music all around the house when we have clients tracking, and the fact that the entire structure is one huge concrete cage makes it all the worst. Bedroom or kitchen makes no difference. You hear the music and is annoyin' to say the least.

4. The acustic in here has been killin me for a long time. After a big improve I made a few months ago (the upmentioned thread) I fell better about it but there's still some problems that need to be addressed.

5. Business is picking up and I feel like I deserve a better space to work in. I just returned back to doin' this for a job, working part time in the morning to keep an income coming in steadily, but I'm thinking of go full time before the end of 2009.

So, to sum it all up, I don't know if I'd have to demo it all, leaving the oustide wall and rebuild the interior completely, or if there's a way I can improve the structure as it is.

Anyone's willing to give me a few tips?

Thanks and sorry for the long post.
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I got the book, read it and digested it.
BTW,edited this, idn't want to sound rude or disrespectful to Ethan. I know that to fully cure my problems there is no other way other than demo it all and rebuild it as a room into room studio, this time with gypsumboard walls, decoupled ceiling and floor and all the other stuff we talk about around here everyday. What Id' like to know is if it's better to keep it goin with the studio I have know, knowing all the issues that come with it, or just tore it down, redo it the proper way and be happy and poorer. A friendly chat if you like.
Last, maybe my mistakes will help others goin' down the right path the first time instead of screwing it all up and having to shatter their dreams.

Here's the actual studio structure (as far as I remember it, close to 10 years passed by).
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Is this the way I should do it next time?
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What Id' like to know is if it's better to keep it goin with the studio I have know, knowing all the issues that come with it, or just tore it down, redo it the proper way and be happy and poorer.
I'm not much of an isolation expert so my opinion isn't worth much.

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If anyone wants to take a look here are the two solutions I came up with. I tried to have good ratios in both. Height is 250 all around the studio (because of dropped ceiling supported by new walls). All dimensions in cms.
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if your going to have glass between the the control room and the tracking room go with the first one,
if not I'd pick the second one
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if your going to have glass between the the control room and the tracking room go with the first one,
if not I'd pick the second one
Thanks A2D, my setup is windowless right now and find it usable. Clients do not complain. I can always set up an easy two way CCTV (I talked about that in some other thread).
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So, after fumbling around with some acceptable room ratios and the space I *really* have (I had to get the actual drawings for it and discovered, to my surprise, that I do have a 3 leaf design right now), here is what I came up with.

I'd really appreciate any opinion and advice.

Thanks.

PS: I still don't know where to put the damn bathroom door. I'd like a sliding one but how do you iso that from the structure around it? More fumbling...
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