How different the Cntl Room from the Live Room treatment ?

[Maddaroad]

Hi Slutz,
I build back my studio: there is 2 alright size rooms, i'll deal with the control room "propa way" stud wall, rockwool, sheetrock, dress and tings...

The ting now is $ run low for the Live Room !
It's a standard room (rectangular), I blocked the windows, just pure concrete walls, the ctrl window and the door.
Eventually a drumset might go in dere too.
What i really need ? Bass traps, diff, absrs ?

Thanx
Maddaroad...

[andrebrito]

you make DYI cheap diffusers, be it poly or QRD and some rockwool panels to reduce the reverberation in the room.

[Tomer1]

Whats the difference?
I believe there is a different noise floor standard for control room and recording room.

In a recording room build according to RFZ you would usualy want a very short reverb time across the entire spectrum,tame first reflections,have a very uniform freq response across the spectrum focusing specially in the lower freq region.

In a live room Its really a matter of taste, Some like a very live and untreated room, "sound of concrete" sort of speak and some treat it like hell.

the best of both worlds when it comes to live room Is having a nice sounding room verb and using portable acoustic panels to reduce room sound when needed.
If the ceiling is less then 2.8-3m you should look into creating an area for drums where you have the ceiling in that area of the room treated with a 10-15cm absorber panel.

[HudHudson]

Originally Posted by Tomer1

In a live room Its really a matter of taste, Some like a very live and untreated room, "sound of concrete" sort of speak and some treat it like hell.

the best of both worlds when it comes to live room Is having a nice sounding room verb and using portable acoustic panels to reduce room sound when needed.

We are implementing a system of rails on the walls of our tracking room on which framed 703 panels can be hung and moved around as needed to change the liveness of the room. We'll hang unused panels on the walls in the long hall outside the tracking room. I love the sound of that room without treatment (as do most of our clients) but I wanted the flexibility of having a deader room when called for.

[Weasel9992]

I think Tomer pretty much nailed it. In a control room you're looking for balanced frequency response and decay times spectrum-wide. You want what you're hearing at the mix position to be exactly what you're hear when you take it out to your car. Generally, to achieve that takes more absorption than you'd usually want to use in a GOOD live room. With a live room we're more concerned with good frequency response and balanced decay times, but we want to keep the room more lively than you'd usually want with a control room. Typically you'd want a mix of absorption and diffsion in a live room, but you have to plan it carefully to avoid creating and odd-sounding space.

Frank

[Tomer1]

Check out F.A.Everest's master handbook of acoustics book for the "Abfuser" modular panel design.
The design absorbs on one side and on the other reflect. thumbsup

[Jidis]

Originally Posted by HudHudson

We are implementing a system of rails on the walls of our tracking room on which framed 703 panels can be hung and moved around as needed

Good deal.

That's the same thing I did on mine and I sure didn't regret it when I moved out of that building. It looked nice too. I had it in both rooms. If you use something easy to get (1.5" pine in my case) you can just trash the rails if you move it and buy new rail material for the next room.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/Jidis/panels2.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/Jidis/rails1.jpg

In the control room it matched the walls. The tracking room had dark brown rails on beige walls. They both looked cool. Miter cut them into the corners so they wrap around the whole perimeter of the room for extra coolness.

George

PS- Those notches in the boxes are probably best done before you assemble the frames. I think I clamped a bunch of my frame strips together and made dado cuts across them on a radial saw (router +guide would work too).

[Maddaroad]

So i basically need to put some Abs and Diff and listen how it sound, even better some removal panel to have more flexibility in my live room.
And abs on the ceiling over the drumset. Right ?
Do i really need bass trap ?

[Ethan Winer]

Originally Posted by Maddaroad

Do i really need bass trap ?

Yes.

[HudHudson]

Nice looking system, George.

Originally Posted by Jidis

Good deal.

That's the same thing I did on mine and I sure didn't regret it when I moved out of that building. It looked nice too. I had it in both rooms. If you use something easy to get (1.5" pine in my case) you can just trash the rails if you move it and buy new rail material for the next room.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/Jidis/panels2.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/Jidis/rails1.jpg

In the control room it matched the walls. The tracking room had dark brown rails on beige walls. They both looked cool. Miter cut them into the corners so they wrap around the whole perimeter of the room for extra coolness.

George

PS- Those notches in the boxes are probably best done before you assemble the frames. I think I clamped a bunch of my frame strips together and made dado cuts across them on a radial saw (router +guide would work too).

[Weasel9992]

That is nice...cool vibe.

Frank

[Jidis]

Thanks!

It's a shame it's all ripped down now though. I was in the last place five or six years and moved out last year (just when I was starting to know the rooms). I'm working out of the back of an empty house for the time being, but residential areas suck. -I miss my drums