how about a log cabin like this

[soundseeker]

LOG CABIN/OFFICE WITH T+G ROOF, FLOOR AND FELT SHINGLES on eBay, also Log Cabins, Garden Structures Fencing, Garden Plants, Home Garden (end time 14-May-08 10:08:24 BST)

ive aked the seller for a quote on bigger dimensions - 4m x 5m x 4 mteres in side wall height.

the queston is, would one of these in a quiet garden (birdy noise) be ideal for tracking vocals , guitars, hand percussion and maybe even mixing (pmc nearfieds, maybe barefoots oneday). I'd have it decked out with some real traps for sure. (how many would i need). would it benefit to make the room bigger/higher still? what would you call the optimal dimensions. would i really have to go as far a a double wall just to kill the birdies?

i wouldnt want to try and split the control and live room. ill use the graden as a control if necessary and stare in through the window! my gear is pretty portable.

another question - I could get them to build it in a hexagonal shape maybe. I mean what is the point of having 90 degree corners if i have to cut them into angle with bass traps anyway-what do ya think?.

ARe there any other log cabin/portocabin companies you recommend for graden studios?. This one seems about 3rd of the price of a lot of others so it seems quite attractive.

your expertise much appreciated

[Glenn Kuras]

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Glenn

[soundseeker]

ha - thanks glenn

the ssl studio in the you tube clip pretty much looks like my idea (minus the lamps, plus $200k). and the thread ridicules it.

but then they had a lot of bare wood and a smattering of auralex - not highly regarded around here.

the question is that if i put in some good trapping from you guys and/or make the dimensions bigger, where would i be deficient?

following the logic of previous threads:
"The EBU/ITU specs for monitoring spaces use a nominal 3,500 ft^3 in their reverb time equation. that is 100 m^3. Obviously chosen as a round figure. Usually control room size is dictated by size of equipment number of people desired to listen at the same time"

This info in the words of andre - coupled with the 1:1.25:1.6 buzz ratio that's going around, would lead me to opt for 4 x 5 x 6.4 totalling 128 cubic metres not including the roof. Logic or Dodgic?

[Ethan Winer]

Originally Posted by soundseeker

This info in the words of andre - coupled with the 1:1.25:1.6 buzz ratio that's going around, would lead me to opt for 4 x 5 x 6.4

Yes, that's much better than 4x5x4.

what is the point of having 90 degree corners if i have to cut them into angle with bass traps

Bass traps straddling corners are not the same as sheet rock or wood straddling corners. You want the corners, and you want the fiberglass across those corners.

--Ethan

[avare]

I just posted about Peter Gabriel's shed on another forum this morning.

Getting into that size of room, I would suggest one of the more rectangular ratios. This would give more floor area. 1:1.4:1.9 would be a good one. Using this and a 3.5 m ceiling height, which is 150 mm greater than the NARAS minimum of 11 feet, yields a room of 3.5x4.9x6.65.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out!

Well ratioed,
Andre

[soundseeker]

Originally Posted by Ethan Winer

Yes, that's much better than 4x5x4.

You want the corners, and you want the fiberglass across those corners.

--Ethan

thanks EHTAN. so your saying the triangular gap in the corners which the bass trap covers is actually beneficial in some way?

ANDRE, thanks for your advice. Why is it better to have more floor space and a more rectangular ratio? , Either way I was considering that the length should be 1 metre extra to use as storage space, rack space or what ever. I mean if the sound is better with the extra metre all's good, but if not I could partition it.

and hey ANDRE please paste a link to the thread where you commented on Pete gabriel's shed. I had read that it was a massive farmyard barn and the engineer froze hs fingers off when they recorded SO!

No one has said anything about the type of wood, how it might vibrate or anything..... so Im assuming if I build to these specs and bass trap well, Id have a near perfect room 4 mixing and tracking, right?

[jwl]

Hi Soundseeker, I got your PM as well. Looks like you are in good hands so far, though.

Yes, on a prefab building, definitely stick with rectangular shapes. Put bass traps across the corners. Ethan is right. A rectangular room will have bass buildup in the corners (physics in action), so they are great places for bass traps.

Andre gave you that ratio because larger rooms are always better, and there are some good ratios around that are better than others, one of which is the one he used.

If isolation isn't a problem for you, then a thinner wall construction is actually a bonus. Much of the bass leaves the structure, which means there is less bass in your room to cause comb filtering. But, you will still want to treat your room, as described on these pages:

RealTraps - Acoustics Fact & Fiction
RealTraps - How To Set Up a Room
RealTraps - Creating a Reflection-Free Zone

You mentioned treating the room with RealTraps. Send me an email (my username on this forum, at realtraps.com) and I can help you come up with a great treatment plan for your studio.

[soundseeker]

Thanks jwl

thats an extremely kind offer. I'll mail you and phone you too. be prepared to work your ass off trying to explain stuff to me though.

Originally Posted by jwl

Hi Soundseeker, I got your PM as well. Looks like you are in good hands so far, though.

Yes, on a prefab building, definitely stick with rectangular shapes. Put bass traps across the corners. Ethan is right. A rectangular room will have bass buildup in the corners (physics in action), so they are great places for bass traps.

Andre gave you that ratio because larger rooms are always better, and there are some good ratios around that are better than others, one of which is the one he used.

If isolation isn't a problem for you, then a thinner wall construction is actually a bonus. Much of the bass leaves the structure, which means there is less bass in your room to cause comb filtering. But, you will still want to treat your room, as described on these pages:

RealTraps - Acoustics Fact & Fiction
RealTraps - How To Set Up a Room
RealTraps - Creating a Reflection-Free Zone

You mentioned treating the room with RealTraps. Send me an email (my username on this forum, at realtraps.com) and I can help you come up with a great treatment plan for your studio.