Originally Posted by GetCreativeSongs
Why when I state my opinion you accuse me of picking a quarrel!? I simply stated mine as did you.. You're entitled and so am I.. I can respect you have a different opinion..You said most songs at the top of the charts are "utter drivel" .. I happen to disagree since I know first hand the skill that is required to write a hit song .. Especially these days .. Most successful gifted writers I know are writing a couple 100 songs a year.. And coming up with amazing stuff...
I offer this.. Post your best non- drivel lyric here and I will post one of my hits.. And we can discuss the elements of writing that went into each.. Could be fun and educational
Again, you seem intent on ignoring what I wrote; I quoted and then explained what I wrote at length above. Suggest you read it again.
You say you're not trying to pick a quarrel with my defense of writers' workshops against your derision -- yet you argue with my contentions -- even as I suggest that such workshops are, indeed, not for everyone. It certainly seems to me like someone trying to argue. But you say you're not. I'm not sure how to take that, since it flies in the face of what I see, but, whatever. Let's just say I'll stipulate that it's apparently not your conscious intent and leave it at that.
With regard to your suggested 'best song' competition -- I don't write for competitive purposes.
Maybe you have, indeed, written some fine songs; I wouldn't mind hearing them. And anyone interested in hearing my music need only check my sig area links (they should always appear on one's first post in a thread).
But I'm not interested -- in the slightest -- in some sort of unit-measuring contest. I know full well that there are better songwriters than I am out there -- because I hear and appreciate their songs. (Maybe not so much at the top of the charts. Every once in a while it happens. Just as in the past.)
And maybe some of those better writers might disagree with me about the potential value of workshops for some writers -- but their being presumably better writers isn't going to make their point of view any more pertinent
as to whether other
individuals might benefit from such workshops. If you don't get that
, I don't see much more point in continuing this attempt at dialog.
I hope that makes my position here very clear.
PS... I just want to put a little friendlier face on this, since you do seem like a good guy with some valuable insights. Maybe I took your comments on the writing workshop approach a bit the wrong way. That said, while I understand they're not necessarily a good fit for everyone -- or at every point in one's writing 'career' -- I do
think they can be enormously valuable for those so inclined or who can meet the process half-way -- particularly when there isn't
a great teacher available to give critique and feedback. OK?