Can anyone hear tell me what key a song is if i play it?

[sadsongs]

Originally Posted by SOUND BOMBING

ive played it on bass have you? and marcus millers word>>>>> yours


i found his old message after i found it out myself.

I skimmed the thread. I didn't listen to the recordings.

I just thought I'd add that a tune might have been written in one key, but one of the recordings here might be in a different key.

That could explain why one person might think it was in one key (by looking at the sheet music, for example) while another thought it was in a different key (by listening).

I think Mozart might have gotten a kick out of the silly but practical music theory rule that whatever key it ENDS in is the key the piece is in. Because I once heard a piece where he started in one key, and then, at the very end, changes to another key. LOL. I thought it was funny. Like, "Ha! And you thought it was in another key!" being that it was in some other key the whole time, but then "technically" changes to another key right at the very end. Very cute.

Or so my vague memory seems to tell me.

[IHateMyUsername]

Originally Posted by sadsongs

I skimmed the thread. I didn't listen to the recordings.

I just thought I'd add that a tune might have been written in one key, but one of the recordings here might be in a different key.

That could explain why one person might think it was in one key (by looking at the sheet music, for example) while another thought it was in a different key (by listening).

I think Mozart might have gotten a kick out of the silly but practical music theory rule that whatever key it ENDS in is the key the piece is in. Because I once heard a piece where he started in one key, and then, at the very end, changes to another key. LOL. I thought it was funny. Like, "Ha! And you thought it was in another key!" being that it was in some other key the whole time, but then "technically" changes to another key right at the very end. Very cute.

Or so my vague memory seems to tell me.

A very relevant in example in this discussion. There are very many people just telling keys based on the first chord of songs, not taking the rest into account, and this thread is a good example of that.

[jrhager84]

Originally Posted by IHateMyUsername

A very relevant in example in this discussion. There are very many people just telling keys based on the first chord of songs, not taking the rest into account, and this thread is a good example of that.

I sure as hell hope you're not referring to me...

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[SOUND BOMBING]

Originally Posted by sadsongs

I skimmed the thread. I didn't listen to the recordings.

I just thought I'd add that a tune might have been written in one key, but one of the recordings here might be in a different key.

That could explain why one person might think it was in one key (by looking at the sheet music, for example) while another thought it was in a different key (by listening).

I think Mozart might have gotten a kick out of the silly but practical music theory rule that whatever key it ENDS in is the key the piece is in. Because I once heard a piece where he started in one key, and then, at the very end, changes to another key. LOL. I thought it was funny. Like, "Ha! And you thought it was in another key!" being that it was in some other key the whole time, but then "technically" changes to another key right at the very end. Very cute.

Or so my vague memory seems to tell me.

thank you. good post

[SOUND BOMBING]

Originally Posted by jrhager84

I sure as hell hope you're not referring to me...

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i think he is.

[jrhager84]

Seems he's wrong on multiple counts, then.

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[IHateMyUsername]

Originally Posted by SOUND BOMBING

ive played it on bass have you? and marcus millers word>>>>> yours


i found his old message after i found it out myself.

It's really funny how you've played it on bass and claim it to be Ab minor when there's not even an A flat in the bassline except a couple of measures in the chorus. Of course, you could say the chorus is in Ab if you want. And about you trying to undermine my credibility; well, I'm not the one asking about keys.

Originally Posted by jrhager84

I sure as hell hope you're not referring to me...

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I think you know perfectly well if I was referring to you or not. If you still need to know: No, I wasn't. SOUND BOMBING literally bombed us with songs until people didn't know what songs were actually in question anymore. That was just a misunderstanding. It's just SOUND BOMBING acting really bad here and trying to polarize the discussion and putting people up at each other. Don't start acting on the same level as him.

To elaborate on my statement based on sadsong's example. Someone told that the Teedra Moses song was in D minor. Yes, the string section during the first 10 seconds could be D minor, but the song in itself never even has a D minor chord in it. It's C lydian and E phrygian. C#11, Em7, Fmaj7 basically.
It's the same with the El Debarge song. I've explained why I think it's in C minor and not Ab in an earlier comment.

[jrhager84]

I had to ask.

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[SOUND BOMBING]

Originally Posted by IHateMyUsername

It's really funny how you've played it on bass and claim it to be Ab minor when there's not even an A flat in the bassline except a couple of measures in the chorus. Of course, you could say the chorus is in Ab if you want. And about you trying to undermine my credibility; well, I'm not the one asking about keys.



I think you know perfectly well if I was referring to you or not. If you still need to know: No, I wasn't. SOUND BOMBING literally bombed us with songs until people didn't know what songs were actually in question anymore. That was just a misunderstanding. It's just SOUND BOMBING acting really bad here and trying to polarize the discussion and putting people up at each other. Don't start acting on the same level as him.

To elaborate on my statement based on sadsong's example. Someone told that the Teedra Moses song was in D minor. Yes, the string section during the first 10 seconds could be D minor, but the song in itself never even has a D minor chord in it. It's C lydian and E phrygian. C#11, Em7, Fmaj7 basically.
It's the same with the El Debarge song. I've explained why I think it's in C minor and not Ab in an earlier comment.

I dont have to undermine your credibility you're doing a fine job of it yourself. And Ive played it but on other discussion boards and in real life this has caused problems and everyone says something different. Thats why I asked and as you can see its causing problems here to so what you say is out the window and well I think marcus millers credibility and resume are more credible than yours and he said it was in Ab and a bass player who I know who gigs every where said the same thing. And Ive played it in A flat and multiple other ways and I know what sounds best I was ust asking for different views because it causes commotion . Even marcus said ''I can see why your having problems with this''

lmao at acting on my level when your typing paragraphs and multiple responses. lol Go sit down somewhere. you've been proven wrong in this thread live with it.

[SOUND BOMBING]

Originally Posted by IHateMyUsername

Whatever you say.

you got shut down by multiple people in this thread yet you run your mouth? Leave me alone. I just scrolled back and Im lmao

[SOUND BOMBING]

Originally Posted by jrhager84

Seems he's wrong on multiple counts, then.

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[IHateMyUsername]

Originally Posted by SOUND BOMBING

I dont have to undermine your credibility you're doing a fine job of it yourself. And Ive played it but on other discussion boards and in real life this has caused problems and everyone says something different. Thats why I asked and as you can see its causing problems here to so what you say is out the window and well I think marcus millers credibility and resume are more credible than yours and he said it was in Ab and a bass player who I know who gigs every where said the same thing. And Ive played it in A flat and multiple other ways and I know what sounds best I was ust asking for different views because it causes commotion . Even marcus said ''I can see why your having problems with this''

lmao at acting on my level when your typing paragraphs and multiple responses. lol Go sit down somewhere. you've been proven wrong in this thread live with it.

Wow, at first you first tell about how even your guru (who has the answer to everything, it seems) says that it's problematic to find a good answer for these songs, and then claim that I've been proven wrong? It's impossible to discuss with people being so inconsistent. At least come up with some relevant arguments instead of telling what your idol or whatever thinks. You ask, you get answers. If you don't want them, don't ask. If this is how the discussion is going to develop, I'm done here. Good luck to you!

I'd like to hear Marcus' explanation in his own words, by the way. It's not that I doubt him or anything, but it would be interesting to hear some arguments about this from a guy who really knows his stuff. (And no, by that I don't mean that no one in this thread have knowledge about this, in case you have to ask.)

[jrhager84]

I could see it being Cmaj, as there are E naturals all over the place, but I have a hard time with Cmin... If we're referring to the same song. I'm so confused now, it's unbelievable...

[jrhager84]

I'd still write the one I commented on in Amin. Just my .02

Who knows anymore? hahahaha

[stinkyfingers]

Originally Posted by jrhager84

...there are E naturals all over the place...

...russ meyer film?

[brandondstafford]

It is really not that challenging to determine the key of a music. It does not need ideal message or an excellent ear. Otherwise i like remix songs

[SOUND BOMBING]

Originally Posted by brandondstafford

It is really not that challenging to determine the key of a music. It does not need ideal message or an excellent ear. Otherwise i like remix songs

Then tell us what key you think its in.Im interested in your take

[IHateMyUsername]

Originally Posted by SOUND BOMBING

hey guess what I need you to do...... shut up lol its over. i played it in c minor today just to be spiteful and I laughed at you Dont take it personal tho I dont hate you Its actually over in my eyes i just wanted to see responses and I got them. thank you. next subject.

What's the matter with you? I thought we agreed to leave it. This is worthy of a report.

[piper]

When I wonder what key something is in I ask my wife. She plays violin. Music major. She is very good at it. No method or anything, just "sounds like Bb" or whatever.

But she would drive the theory wonks to distraction. She gives the key signature. If it has two sharps, then she says it's in D, even if it's minor (or whatever). From her perspective as an orchestral violinist, that's all that matters -- you play the notes that are written. If you tell her to play in B minor, she'll have no trouble with that, but if you tell her A mixolydian, she'd probably ask for clarification, and then explain that you really meant D. ;-)

[SOUND BOMBING]

Originally Posted by IHateMyUsername

What's the matter with you? I thought we agreed to leave it. This is worthy of a report.

[SOUND BOMBING]

Originally Posted by jrhager84

I'd still write the one I commented on in Amin. Just my .02

Who knows anymore? hahahaha

a min sounds awfully good to let you know. ive played it in a min alllllllllllllooooooooooooooooot and its dark and beautiful.

[SOUND BOMBING]

Originally Posted by piper

When I wonder what key something is in I ask my wife. She plays violin. Music major. She is very good at it. No method or anything, just "sounds like Bb" or whatever.

But she would drive the theory wonks to distraction. She gives the key signature. If it has two sharps, then she says it's in D, even if it's minor (or whatever). From her perspective as an orchestral violinist, that's all that matters -- you play the notes that are written. If you tell her to play in B minor, she'll have no trouble with that, but if you tell her A mixolydian, she'd probably ask for clarification, and then explain that you really meant D. ;-)

real talk homey. can you get her to listen to the song and tell me her thoughts? its funny kuz this one song has caused so much debate when i asked marcus his first words were literally ''i could see how you would have problems with that''


it was years ago and since then everyone has given me multiple keys ive asked a boatload of musicians. most still say g sharp/Ab or various A keys.

[IHateMyUsername]

Ok, if this is how the rules go, fine. First of all - if this was a real world debate, or a real debate at all, I would without doubt OWN you. You may spam my message center as much as you want about how you hate me and come at me with your sarcastic smileys or whatever, but you will not be more than a source of irritation, and I'm dazzled that I actually managed to waste so much time on you. You might get away with it here, but in a real discussion, you would have the integrity of a 6 year old school bully. At least it seems like I managed to stir up some feelings for your part. I'm just saddened to see that people actually will have to cope with such low-life people here.

Grow up.

[piper]

Originally Posted by SOUND BOMBING

real talk homey. can you get her to listen to the song and tell me her thoughts?

Maybe some day, but school just started so not anytime soon ;-)

But kind of the point I was making is that keys (and chord names) can be subjective -- there can be more than one correct answer. At the end of the day, the only thing that really matters is if you can play it. Well that, and does it sound good!

[SOUND BOMBING]

Originally Posted by IHateMyUsername

Ok, if this is how the rules go, fine. First of all - if this was a real world debate, or a real debate at all, I would without doubt OWN you. You may spam my message center as much as you want about how you hate me and come at me with your sarcastic smileys or whatever, but you will not be more than a source of irritation, and I'm dazzled that I actually managed to waste so much time on you. You might get away with it here, but in a real discussion, you would have the integrity of a 6 year old school bully. At least it seems like I managed to stir up some feelings for your part. I'm just saddened to see that people actually will have to cope with such low-life people here.

Grow up.

whatever.

[Heyclown]

IHateMyUsername VS SOUND BOMBING
The first one of you to completely ignore the last ones reply wins in my book
I doubt that´s gonna happen so /popcorn

[SOUND BOMBING]

Originally Posted by Heyclown

IHateMyUsername VS SOUND BOMBING
The first one of you to completely ignore the last ones reply wins in my book
I doubt that´s gonna happen so /popcorn

Id probably smack him at a gastation while hes on pump two in real life. He's no threat in argument form no real life. He can take his c minor and place it properly where the sun doesnt shine and all his other wrong key answers roam.

[SOUND BOMBING]

also sounds good in F minor

[jrhager84]

What do you mean? Are you transposing the whole thing into a different key, or just playing scales? Fmin and Amin have similar keys, but also very, very different ones.

/scratches head

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[Heyclown]

And the winner is...... /drumroll
IHateMyUsername