Minor Chords

[moogulator]

Originally Posted by Frank_Case

Pure Minor Harmonized scale (Notated in Ionian degrees):

i iidim bIII iv v bVI bVII

So the answers to your questions are: (1) Yes, (2) Yes

Thanks a lot!

[theblue1]

But remember, theory isn't a set of rules telling us what to do or not to do.

Theory is there to help provide explanations for why things may work (sometimes multiple explanations) and to perhaps provide a guide for exploring less familiar territory.

[LimpyLoo]

Originally Posted by theblue1

But remember, theory isn't a set of rules telling us what to do or not to do.

Theory is there to help provide explanations for why things may work (sometimes multiple explanations) and to perhaps provide a guide for exploring less familiar territory.

[mobius.media]

You can also make the v into V and still be minor.

eg. In the key(s) of E minor:

Em D Bm C

vs.

Em D B C

[Eq_1084]

Originally Posted by theblue1

But remember, theory isn't a set of rules telling us what to do or not to do.

Theory is there to help provide explanations for why things may work (sometimes multiple explanations) and to perhaps provide a guide for exploring less familiar territory.

+1

[jef4490]

I know this is an old threat, but I think the issue you're encountering is that there are really three different scales referred to as minor. The most basic is the aeolian mode, or the natural minor scale. This is the scale created using the white keys from a to a on a piano. In jazz and pop, this scale is often substituted with the dorian mode, but I digress.

The second minor scale is the harmonic minor scale. This scale is identical to the natural minor with the exception of a raised 7th. The a harmonic minor scale would be all the white keys from a to a, except the g is replaced with a g#. This is because the raised seventh (which serves the leading tone purpose as in the major scale) allows for the powerful dominant and leading tone chords to function harmonically in a minor key. This has the effect of including the V7 or simply the major V chord in minor keys. 99% of classical music uses a major V. In popular music, the major V chord is a very common chord in minor because our ears are very used to its existence in western music.

The third minor scale is melodic minor, which includes a raised 6th degree as well as the 7th. In that sense it sounds minor for the first half and major for the second half. This is really used mostly in jazz and exists to the avoid the awkward augmented second interval in the harmonic minor scale between degrees 6 and 7. Sometimes you flatten those scale degrees when descending, sometimes not, depends who you ask.

Hope that helps.

[alexvdbroek]

Dorian can be used as a basis for the minor key also. Phrygian as well, but it resolves less well.

Using a few chords from differents minor modes is often used.
EG:

Cminor - all roots of scales are C

i bVII vidim bVI V
Cm Bb Adim Ab G
aeolian dorian or aeolian harmonic or
melodic minor melodic minor

Enjoy.
A.

[alexvdbroek]

Originally Posted by jef4490

This is really used mostly in jazz and exists to the avoid the awkward augmented second interval in the harmonic minor scale between degrees 6 and 7. Sometimes you flatten those scale degrees when descending, sometimes not, depends who you ask.

Hope that helps.

Traditionally in classical music those degrees of the scale are flattened on the way down. Not in pop or jazz music.
A.