Another headphones question (little unusual)

[ttauri]

Strauss' post about headphones reminded me about my own headphone quest that I revive every so often: can anyone suggest some decently powerful BUT VERY TREBLY headphones?

I DJ, and for matching beats, I like to mix off a song's hi-hat--it's a short, crisp element that I find allows for more precision than mixing off a smushy fat kick drum. But most DJ's go for the kick, so DJ cans are all really hyped in the bass. For me trying to mix off the hats, I have to bassblast my poor eardrums to smithereens to pay attention to the treble. I mostly come back to 7506s which are well bright and suit me pretty well, but I still occasionally wonder if there's something better out there. Anyone know of any alternative NS-10s of the headphone world besides the '06s?

Peece,
T. Tauri

[ExistanceMusic]

I've always thought really cheap and nasty cans like the low-end AKGs and Senhheisers were particulary harsh and painfull to listen to. I'm not sure off the top of my head if they have DJ freindly ones (rotatable on one side, padded to shoulder pinching it) but I'd seriously be looking at the cheapo ones from Behringer, which do.

[Bob Olhsson]

I used to buy replacement Walkman headphones at Long's drugs in California. I think they ran 10 or 15 dollars including the cost of 1/4" plug adapters for them at Radio Shack. They worked out great for relatively brief overdub sessions with lots of people. We also had a few more comfortable phones for the long drawn out sessions.

[ttauri]

originally posted by ExistanceMusic:
I've always thought really cheap and nasty cans like the low-end AKGs and Senhheisers were particulary harsh and painfull to listen to. I'm not sure off the top of my head if they have DJ freindly ones (rotatable on one side, padded to shoulder pinching it) but I'd seriously be looking at the cheapo ones from Behringer, which do.

OK, added to the list. I haven't checked AKGs in a while. I didn't know Behringer entered the DJ phone market. Have you heard the Behringers? My kneejerk suspicion would be that they're apt to go strongly to the bass-hyping route. I'll check em anyway, but just wondering.

originally posted by Bob Olhsson
I used to buy replacement Walkman headphones at Long's drugs in California. I think they ran 10 or 15 dollars including the cost of 1/4" plug adapters for them at Radio Shack. They worked out great for relatively brief overdub sessions with lots of people. We also had a few more comfortable phones for the long drawn out sessions

Don't think there's a solution in that sector that'd offer the kind of power/isolation I also need--I'm contending with a booming sound system while I'm cueing. Anyone using MoreMe phones?

Thanks for the suggestions, guys!

Peece,
T. Tauri

[Ted Nightshade]

some EQ into the phones? Why not?

[De chromium cob]

Check out these Superphones

They're loaded with 7506 components and work very well- I use them mostly for recording bands live in loud enviroments- I bet they would be just the thing you need. You certainly dont want to keep slamming high end into your ears at high volume if you want to keep your hearing for long...you need isolation so you can hear it at a reasonable level.

PS- Actually, I use the Ultraphones, but they're on the same website as above....

[kevinc]

Originally posted by De chromium cob
Check out these Superphones

They're loaded with 7506 components and work very well- I use them mostly for recording bands live in loud enviroments- I bet they would be just the thing you need. You certainly dont want to keep slamming high end into your ears at high volume if you want to keep your hearing for long...you need isolation so you can hear it at a reasonable level.

PS- Actually, I use the Ultraphones, but they're on the same website as above....

The Ultraphones look great.
I`m looking for something that I can record drums by myself with.
It`s always been a problem hearing any of the sound I`m recording whatsoever. These will probably do the trick.

Thanks Chrome
Kevin

[Bob Olhsson]

Go find an aircraft supply place, there is generally one near most airports. They sell the hearing protectors that are used for working around planes that have their engines on. We used to stuff Sennheiser 414 ear-pieces in them for drummers but you could probably use lots of other things too.

[ttauri]

Originally posted by Bob Olhsson
Go find an aircraft supply place, there is generally one near most airports. They sell the hearing protectors that are used for working around planes that have their engines on. We used to stuff Sennheiser 414 ear-pieces in them for drummers but you could probably use lots of other things too.

An intriguing notion. I see a place on the web selling the same chassis that the Ultraphones use for $20. At the least, I can cheaply see if the Ultraphones meet the ergonomic needs of DJing--Chrome, what's your opinion of the Ultras as far as being able to set them off the ears, then on, then off again quickly? They seem too bulky (when I'm blending records, I tend to go back and forth between listening to the monitors or main sound system and then checking the sync in the headphones.) Meanwhile, the Superphones design looks like I can't flip them around for one-ear listening.

So what's involved in making hearing protectors into phones? What sort of technical knack is involved, or lacking said knack, what sort of fellow would I need to seek out to do the alterations?

I think an EQ'd be too complicated, Ted--one finds oneself having to cope with a variety of setups, and I suspect there'd be a lot of situations where it'd get in the way.

Peece,
T. Tauri

[RobMacki]

FWIW I like the ATM40 (flat) and ATD40 (extended bass) they too have rotatable ears.

[7rojo7]

another vote for ATM, 80 euros, all replaceable parts, 5Hz to 25kHz, lightweight and almost HiFi it's replaced my DT100s as they died off. I now have 10 pairs.

[filterdude]

i always ask for a pioneer djm600 mixer. you can eq the cue signal that goes to the headphones...that helps. i'm using sennheiser hd-25 headphones.

bert

[kevinc]

You should get some kind of gigantic futuristic looking helmet with lights coming out the sides. It would be completely sound proof of course with a STC rating of about 75. Maybe some sort of sheet lead barrier.
Then simply carve some pockets in it to fit your headphone of choice.
You can work it into your act somehow.
I`ll come up with a model and get back to you.

Kevin

[Aearth]

Beyer DT 250


Nick

[RobMacki]

Originally posted by kevinc
You should get some kind of gigantic futuristic looking helmet with lights coming out the sides. It would be completely sound proof of course with a STC rating of about 75. Maybe some sort of sheet lead barrier.
Then simply carve some pockets in it to fit your headphone of choice.
You can work it into your act somehow.
I`ll come up with a model and get back to you.

Kevin

Can you make a prototype and post the pix?

[kevinc]

Yeah I`ll get my advertising team on it as soon as possible.


Kevin

[ttauri]

Originally posted by kevinc
You should get some kind of gigantic futuristic looking helmet with lights coming out the sides. It would be completely sound proof of course with a STC rating of about 75. Maybe some sort of sheet lead barrier.
Then simply carve some pockets in it to fit your headphone of choice.
You can work it into your act somehow.
I`ll come up with a model and get back to you.

Yes! And being sound-proof, I wouldn't have to listen to requests!

Thanks, all. Nice list of phones to check out.

Peece,
T. Tauri

[thebo]

Beyerdynamic DT831, much high end detail, not too much bass, but enough, especially with modern bass-heavy music.