7 speakers in tiny room

rodrigo · 14th November 2006, 12:11 AM

I'm in a bit of a dilemma. I have a very small room I'll be turning into a control room and I don't know what's the best approach to speaker placement given some constrains. I'll be installing cable ducts on the floor, and I need to know the final position of the speakers before treating the whole room.

I can make some tests, sure. But I'm not prepared to build a soffit wall and then tear it apart if I don't like the results.

So here are a two different approaches to speaker placement and listenning position:

rodrigo · 14th November 2006, 12:35 AM

The main speakers are:

Event 20/20 bas

The surround system is:

M-Audio Lx4 5.1

Not exactly hi end stuff, I know. I'll stick to what I own and possibly upgrade in the future. But at this point, achieving a proper listening environment is the goal. Notice I didn't include the subwoofer on any of the two diagrams. Given the space limit, it will probably go on either corner.

Ok, now to the two aproaches:

Layout #1
Pros:
- Listening position is at 38% from the front wall (Ethan/Wes Lachot approved)

- Every speaker is soffit mounted, early reflections are controlled
- There's still some space left to walk through the room

Cons:
- Every speaker is VERY CLOSE to a boundary/wall
- Bass build up may be too much even with bass trap hangers and corner traps
- Center speaker would have to be above door height
- Events don't have a -6dB LF trim. They have -3dB attenuation only

Layout #2
Pros:
- Front Speakers are not close to walls, they are placed 1/3 of the way on both X and Y axis. (Barry Diament approved)
- No need to engage a -6dB filter
- Center speaker not in awkard place

Cons:
- This configuration eats a lot of room
- I could not figure out a 1/3 XY placement for rear speakers and still have 5.1 speakers equidistant, so I had to open the angle a bit, thus rear speakers remain a bit close to walls
- Listening position is more like a 30ish% from the back wall

In your experience which of these approaches would yield better results??

Thanks,

Rodrigo

tINY · 14th November 2006, 05:37 AM

Are you planning on putting the surround system on stands or hanging the speakers from the ceiling?

-tINY

u b k · 14th November 2006, 07:49 AM

if you superchunk every single place where 2 or 3 surfaces come together, you can get away with just about anything.

that's a whole lotta 703, but it'll make those pesky corners disappear...

gregoire
del
ubk
.

rodrigo · 15th November 2006, 06:36 PM

Thanks for your responses

The surround system in layout # 1 is suposed to be a soffit structure made out of wood studs, 703 and cloth wrap. In layout # 2, I thought of placing the speakers in stands, it didn't occur to me hanging them from the ceiling. What benefit would I get from doing that? If going for ceiling mounts, will you choose this layout over soffit mounts?

ubik-

I thought of placing superchunks on 4 corners, plus building a false ceiling with bass trap hangers hidden inside it. Would this be a good alternative?

Thanks!

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14th November 2006, 12:11 AM	#1
rodrigo Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Monterrey, Mexico Posts: 74	7 speakers in tiny room I'm in a bit of a dilemma. I have a very small room I'll be turning into a control room and I don't know what's the best approach to speaker placement given some constrains. I'll be installing cable ducts on the floor, and I need to know the final position of the speakers before treating the whole room. I can make some tests, sure. But I'm not prepared to build a soffit wall and then tear it apart if I don't like the results. So here are a two different approaches to speaker placement and listenning position: Attached Thumbnails

14th November 2006, 12:35 AM	#2
rodrigo Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Monterrey, Mexico Posts: 74	The main speakers are: Event 20/20 bas The surround system is: M-Audio Lx4 5.1 Not exactly hi end stuff, I know. I'll stick to what I own and possibly upgrade in the future. But at this point, achieving a proper listening environment is the goal. Notice I didn't include the subwoofer on any of the two diagrams. Given the space limit, it will probably go on either corner. Ok, now to the two aproaches: Layout #1 Pros: - Listening position is at 38% from the front wall (Ethan/Wes Lachot approved) - Every speaker is soffit mounted, early reflections are controlled - There's still some space left to walk through the room Cons: - Every speaker is VERY CLOSE to a boundary/wall - Bass build up may be too much even with bass trap hangers and corner traps - Center speaker would have to be above door height - Events don't have a -6dB LF trim. They have -3dB attenuation only Layout #2 Pros: - Front Speakers are not close to walls, they are placed 1/3 of the way on both X and Y axis. (Barry Diament approved) - No need to engage a -6dB filter - Center speaker not in awkard place Cons: - This configuration eats a lot of room - I could not figure out a 1/3 XY placement for rear speakers and still have 5.1 speakers equidistant, so I had to open the angle a bit, thus rear speakers remain a bit close to walls - Listening position is more like a 30ish% from the back wall In your experience which of these approaches would yield better results?? Thanks, Rodrigo

14th November 2006, 05:37 AM	#3
tINY Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 6,017	Are you planning on putting the surround system on stands or hanging the speakers from the ceiling? -tINY

15th November 2006, 06:36 PM	#5
rodrigo Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Monterrey, Mexico Posts: 74	Thanks for your responses The surround system in layout # 1 is suposed to be a soffit structure made out of wood studs, 703 and cloth wrap. In layout # 2, I thought of placing the speakers in stands, it didn't occur to me hanging them from the ceiling. What benefit would I get from doing that? If going for ceiling mounts, will you choose this layout over soffit mounts? ubik- I thought of placing superchunks on 4 corners, plus building a false ceiling with bass trap hangers hidden inside it. Would this be a good alternative? Thanks!