winter namm

est1769 · 8th December 2003, 02:13 PM

anyone know of any cool new toys coming out at this winter's namm show?

anyone know if little labs will finally release their long overdue preamp?

or if lucid's updated ada 8824 will be priced cheaper than the apogee rosetta 800?

e-cue · 8th December 2003, 10:33 PM

The super long awaited Stephen Paul mic.

CV7 · 11th December 2003, 03:35 AM

Yep, the Stephen Paul stuff is going to be really interesting.

DigiGeek · 11th December 2003, 10:41 AM

Anyone heard if Apple or Digi have any big announcements? There are rumors that Digi will release a large format console or something to compete with SSL and Euphonix. Apple has prety much shaken up the whole Emagic crew according to my sales guy at Sweetwater, so maybe that will bear some fruit in January....

JohnnyTooLoud · 11th December 2003, 11:23 PM

Quote:

There are rumors that Digi will release a large format console or something to compete with SSL and Euphonix.

Been a bunch of talk in this area about that Digi consolce coming out. They aren't too far from here so everyone knows someone at or near Digi - but they hold their secrets pretty tight.

It will be interesting to see...

--JTL

filterfreq · 12th December 2003, 01:50 AM

Rumor stuff I saw elsewhere for whatever it might be worth:

Quote:

new control surface: i have no idea what it's going to be called or what it's specific features are going to be, but when we toured the manufacturing facility we were accidentally led into a room that contained the prototypes of the new digi control surface. it looks like a cross between the tascam digital mixers and a procontrol. all i know is that it's supposedly going to be a small yet very versatile control surface that will at the same time will take a large bite out of the larger console market (SSL and NEVE).

12th December 2003, 02:26 AM

I heard they are aiming to capture the market for folks with ageing consoles that need replacing...

The sell?

"dont get a new $$$$ old tech console - buy this 'do it all' digital wonder"

makoto · 12th December 2003, 02:41 AM

Jules,
Is there anything that your pro control setup will not do, that you wish it could?

12th December 2003, 11:30 AM

The audio quality of the monitor section is questionable IMHO

The tweaking of plug in parameters via knobs is 50% successful (half a labeling / layout problem half a ballistics - efficacy issue of the knob action) A new ProControl needs a CLEAR display for parameter description and needs better co-ordination between plug in folks & Digi (this is traditionally a barren buck passing no mans land...

)

Group solo buttons would be nice

10 cue locate buttons would be nice!

30 self assignable macro buttons would ALSO be cool

Channel level meters are in weird 'pairs' - I find this unsuccessful

No chance to disable the counters - frames / milliseconds etc (gives you epilepsy! I put gaffa tape across the end of mine)

Something that looks more substantial? (more metal / less plastic?)

That's all I can think of...

BrianT · 12th December 2003, 11:47 AM

How about more than 4 characters per label strip? A whole new meaning to the word "cryptic".

I mean, if space is an issue, the thing could at least have a scrolling marquee mode toggled with the current scheme. Differentiating between 100 tracks by using only 4 letters is not really "pro", IMO.

Brian T

12th December 2003, 12:19 PM

Pro Control has more characters than 4

I forget what it is, but it's more than Control 24 has

filterdude · 12th December 2003, 03:57 PM

what we really need is a controller with variable background.
something like a huge flatscreen with knobs and faders on it.
not on the side, not at the bottom, but on the screen itself.

so that when you dial up a plugin you don't get a bunch of 8-character leds but a real picture of the plug with knobs and faders. i know it's all wishful thinking and probably not even possible technically...

actually, i guess the sony oxford mixer display comes close. but we need more, we need to feel the plugins :-)

controllers need to be a lot more hands on!!!

imagine some vintage mixer backgrounds :-)

bert

Tim Halligan · 13th December 2003, 12:46 PM

Check out the large Studer digital console...I forget the name... but knobs THROUGH the VDUs. Very scary dollars I suspect...
Cheers
Tim

mtsupiano · 13th December 2003, 11:36 PM

I hope you are reffering to the Vista! I have worked on a D950 MK 1....wow....I just hate it! We have one at school, and the only thing I will touch it for is 5.1. Tracking is just a pain in the ass. Everything that you run through it comes out sounding, for a lack of a better word "digital"

filterdude · 14th December 2003, 12:19 AM

i had a look at those vista consoles. nice! something similar as a daw remote would be awesome!

thanks for pointing it out

bert

Tim Halligan · 14th December 2003, 04:07 AM

Yes, it was the Vista...thanks for reminding me. If you are interested, you can check it out at www.vista7.com
It seems to be pitched mainly at broadcasters, so I guess the sound is more about crap-removal than sounding good, but the user interface looks interesting in the context of some of the precceding posts.

Cheers,
Tim

makoto · 26th December 2003, 04:47 AM

2004 Winter NAMM Convention <http://www.digidesign.com/diginews/2003/12-03/namm.cfm>
Anaheim, California January 15 - 18
Winter NAMM is just around the corner. Digidesign will be showcasing the new, supercharged Pro Tools|HD Accel systems, our new ReVibe and Impact TDM plug-ins for HD Accel, and the new DigiDelivery secure global file transfer solution along with other innovative Pro Tools LE, control surface, and Focusrite options. Make sure to visit us at Booth 6606 in the Anaheim Convention Center for informative demos on two different stages and one-on-one exposure to all of Digidesign's products and top Development Partner offerings, as well as to get answers to whatever questions you might have.

UHHHH, SO...?????

est1769 · 8th January 2004, 04:36 AM

anyone know what apogee has up their sleeves for namm? on their website, they say that they're going to release two new products...

Magnus · 8th January 2004, 02:06 PM

I hope Apogee are going to announce a new 2ch Rosetta AD based on the Rosetta 800 but I could be very wrong!

mr.gefell · 8th January 2004, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Magnus
I hope Apogee are going to announce a new 2ch Rosetta AD based on the Rosetta 800 but I could be very wrong!

i'm actually hoping for the same thing.

Magnus · 10th January 2004, 02:32 AM

It could also be upgraded versions of the AD16 & DA16.

Or something else.....

Magnus

cajonezzz · 10th January 2004, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by makoto
2004 Winter NAMM Convention Digidesign will be showcasing the new, supercharged Pro Tools|HD Accel systems, our new ReVibe and Impact TDM plug-ins for HD Accel, and the new DigiDelivery secure global file transfer solution along with other innovative Pro Tools LE, control surface, and Focusrite options. Make sure to visit us at Booth 6606 in the Anaheim Convention Center

I think there is a mis-print there....

It's supposed to read: "Make sure to visit us at Booth 666 in the Aneheim Convention Center"

Sofa King · 11th January 2004, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by e-cue
The super long awaited Stephen Paul mic.

I too was excited to see the new mic, but it will not be ready for the trade show.
Some issues with some cosmetic details.
But it will be ready soon im told.

GearGuy · 12th January 2004, 06:51 PM

Mackie of all people... they will have some really cool stuff to show. They will also be showing the dXb again. Worth talking about it again... Wait for the details Thursday/Friday.

e-cue · 12th January 2004, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sofa King
I too was excited to see the new mic, but it will not be ready for the trade show.
Some issues with some cosmetic details.
But it will be ready soon im told.

Hmm. More delays (as expected). The last I heard was "We will show the first one at NAMM and have about 10 units end of January. Then we expect the other 40 a couple of weeks after." as of the 22nd of December. Oh well. Considering what the company has lost recently, delays were to be expected.

Magnus · 13th January 2004, 02:12 AM

Can some nice person give a report from the NAMM show here on Gearslutz for all of us who can't be there?

Thanks,
Magnus

Sofa King · 13th January 2004, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Magnus
Can some nice person give a report from the NAMM show here on Gearslutz for all of us who can't be there?

Thanks,
Magnus

Im not sure how much time ill have during the week, but will be more than happy to post some high points afterwards.

Sean

Magnus · 13th January 2004, 05:56 PM

Thanks Sean! Appreciate it.

alanhyatt · 15th January 2004, 04:25 AM

I have to tell you it has been a long rough road on these mics... So many changes, so many rejections by Stephen due to tolerance controls, but this only made the mic better.

All is pretty much done, but the big issue was the capsule, and that is the real hang up, and the fact that we just lost Stephen, so that put a damper on things, but we will not stop.

Our problem was what to do about the capsule. If we used an MBHO capsule like Brauner and some others do, we have a German capsule, and if you know the history behind Stephen and the German mic company, so you know that was not an option. Stephen looked at the MBHO capsules and while a very good capsule, Stephen did not like some of the things they were doing in the construction of them on the samples we purchased from MBHO. Without giving up technology, we can't say what they are.

Then we looked at some other companies, but for what this capsule needed to be, we were not impressed with what was out there by some other people.

In the end, it was my insistance that to be a Stephen Paul mic, it had to be a Stephen Paul handmade capsule. This is what the top pros and artisits have been paying very big bucks for the last 20 years from Stephen, so we decided to do what we had to, and Tony Merrill at the Stephen Paul lab finally agreed with us. So, the Stephen Paul lab will make the Stephen Paul Microphone capsules, as Tony has been doing for the last 6 or so years when Stephen lost his hands. 1.5u, and 0.9u capsules will be done as a "VERY" expensive option. The main mic is a 3u capsule.

So, we have to set up the assembly line. While it takes some time guys, I can promise you this mic is really going to be a magical mic. Despite our dissapointments in not showing you a mic yet at NAMM, all of the delay's have made the mic significantly better.

No excuses, just bad timing.

DigiGeek · 15th January 2004, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Magnus

It could also be upgraded versions of the AD16 & DA16.

Or something else.....

Magnus

Oh yea.... Check out Apogee's home page http://www.apogeedigital.com/

Magnus, you have any inside info on these? Anybody?

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8th December 2003, 02:13 PM	#1
est1769 Gear interested Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 17	winter namm anyone know of any cool new toys coming out at this winter's namm show? anyone know if little labs will finally release their long overdue preamp? or if lucid's updated ada 8824 will be priced cheaper than the apogee rosetta 800?

12th December 2003, 03:57 PM	#12
filterdude Gear Head Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: belgium Posts: 48	what we really need is a controller with variable background. something like a huge flatscreen with knobs and faders on it. not on the side, not at the bottom, but on the screen itself. so that when you dial up a plugin you don't get a bunch of 8-character leds but a real picture of the plug with knobs and faders. i know it's all wishful thinking and probably not even possible technically... actually, i guess the sony oxford mixer display comes close. but we need more, we need to feel the plugins :-) controllers need to be a lot more hands on!!! imagine some vintage mixer backgrounds :-) bert __________________ www.filterheadz.com

13th December 2003, 11:36 PM	#14
mtsupiano Gear nut Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 124	I hope you are reffering to the Vista! I have worked on a D950 MK 1....wow....I just hate it! We have one at school, and the only thing I will touch it for is 5.1. Tracking is just a pain in the ass. Everything that you run through it comes out sounding, for a lack of a better word "digital" __________________ Resident IT Nerd

14th December 2003, 12:19 AM	#15
filterdude Gear Head Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: belgium Posts: 48	i had a look at those vista consoles. nice! something similar as a daw remote would be awesome! thanks for pointing it out bert __________________ www.filterheadz.com

8th December 2003, 10:33 PM	#2
e-cue Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Lost Angeles Posts: 3,882	The super long awaited Stephen Paul mic.

11th December 2003, 03:35 AM	#3
CV7 Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles, Ca. Posts: 213	Yep, the Stephen Paul stuff is going to be really interesting.

11th December 2003, 10:41 AM	#4
DigiGeek Gear nut Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 91	Anyone heard if Apple or Digi have any big announcements? There are rumors that Digi will release a large format console or something to compete with SSL and Euphonix. Apple has prety much shaken up the whole Emagic crew according to my sales guy at Sweetwater, so maybe that will bear some fruit in January....

12th December 2003, 02:26 AM	#7
Jules Guest Posts: n/a	I heard they are aiming to capture the market for folks with ageing consoles that need replacing... The sell? "dont get a new $$$$ old tech console - buy this 'do it all' digital wonder"

12th December 2003, 02:41 AM	#8
makoto Gear maniac Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 206	Jules, Is there anything that your pro control setup will not do, that you wish it could?

12th December 2003, 11:30 AM	#9
Jules Guest Posts: n/a	The audio quality of the monitor section is questionable IMHO The tweaking of plug in parameters via knobs is 50% successful (half a labeling / layout problem half a ballistics - efficacy issue of the knob action) A new ProControl needs a CLEAR display for parameter description and needs better co-ordination between plug in folks & Digi (this is traditionally a barren buck passing no mans land... ) Group solo buttons would be nice 10 cue locate buttons would be nice! 30 self assignable macro buttons would ALSO be cool Channel level meters are in weird 'pairs' - I find this unsuccessful No chance to disable the counters - frames / milliseconds etc (gives you epilepsy! I put gaffa tape across the end of mine) Something that looks more substantial? (more metal / less plastic?) That's all I can think of...

12th December 2003, 11:47 AM	#10
BrianT Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Nashville Posts: 1,661	How about more than 4 characters per label strip? A whole new meaning to the word "cryptic". I mean, if space is an issue, the thing could at least have a scrolling marquee mode toggled with the current scheme. Differentiating between 100 tracks by using only 4 letters is not really "pro", IMO. Brian T

12th December 2003, 12:19 PM	#11
Jules Guest Posts: n/a	Pro Control has more characters than 4 I forget what it is, but it's more than Control 24 has

13th December 2003, 12:46 PM	#13
Tim Halligan Gear addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Perth,Western Australia Posts: 324	Check out the large Studer digital console...I forget the name... but knobs THROUGH the VDUs. Very scary dollars I suspect... Cheers Tim

14th December 2003, 04:07 AM	#16
Tim Halligan Gear addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Perth,Western Australia Posts: 324	Yes, it was the Vista...thanks for reminding me. If you are interested, you can check it out at www.vista7.com It seems to be pitched mainly at broadcasters, so I guess the sound is more about crap-removal than sounding good, but the user interface looks interesting in the context of some of the precceding posts. Cheers, Tim

26th December 2003, 04:47 AM	#17
makoto Gear maniac Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 206	2004 Winter NAMM Convention <http://www.digidesign.com/diginews/2003/12-03/namm.cfm> Anaheim, California January 15 - 18 Winter NAMM is just around the corner. Digidesign will be showcasing the new, supercharged Pro Tools\|HD Accel systems, our new ReVibe and Impact TDM plug-ins for HD Accel, and the new DigiDelivery secure global file transfer solution along with other innovative Pro Tools LE, control surface, and Focusrite options. Make sure to visit us at Booth 6606 in the Anaheim Convention Center for informative demos on two different stages and one-on-one exposure to all of Digidesign's products and top Development Partner offerings, as well as to get answers to whatever questions you might have. UHHHH, SO...?????

8th January 2004, 04:36 AM	#18
est1769 Gear interested Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 17	anyone know what apogee has up their sleeves for namm? on their website, they say that they're going to release two new products...

8th January 2004, 02:06 PM	#19
Magnus Gear addict Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 302	I hope Apogee are going to announce a new 2ch Rosetta AD based on the Rosetta 800 but I could be very wrong!

10th January 2004, 02:32 AM	#21
Magnus Gear addict Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 302	It could also be upgraded versions of the AD16 & DA16. Or something else..... Magnus

12th January 2004, 06:51 PM	#24
GearGuy Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: USA Posts: 418	Mackie of all people... they will have some really cool stuff to show. They will also be showing the dXb again. Worth talking about it again... Wait for the details Thursday/Friday. __________________ Best Wishes, GearGuy

13th January 2004, 02:12 AM	#26
Magnus Gear addict Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 302	Can some nice person give a report from the NAMM show here on Gearslutz for all of us who can't be there? Thanks, Magnus

13th January 2004, 05:56 PM	#28
Magnus Gear addict Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 302	Thanks Sean! Appreciate it.

15th January 2004, 04:25 AM	#29
alanhyatt Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gardena, California and Maui Hawaii Posts: 759	I have to tell you it has been a long rough road on these mics... So many changes, so many rejections by Stephen due to tolerance controls, but this only made the mic better. All is pretty much done, but the big issue was the capsule, and that is the real hang up, and the fact that we just lost Stephen, so that put a damper on things, but we will not stop. Our problem was what to do about the capsule. If we used an MBHO capsule like Brauner and some others do, we have a German capsule, and if you know the history behind Stephen and the German mic company, so you know that was not an option. Stephen looked at the MBHO capsules and while a very good capsule, Stephen did not like some of the things they were doing in the construction of them on the samples we purchased from MBHO. Without giving up technology, we can't say what they are. Then we looked at some other companies, but for what this capsule needed to be, we were not impressed with what was out there by some other people. In the end, it was my insistance that to be a Stephen Paul mic, it had to be a Stephen Paul handmade capsule. This is what the top pros and artisits have been paying very big bucks for the last 20 years from Stephen, so we decided to do what we had to, and Tony Merrill at the Stephen Paul lab finally agreed with us. So, the Stephen Paul lab will make the Stephen Paul Microphone capsules, as Tony has been doing for the last 6 or so years when Stephen lost his hands. 1.5u, and 0.9u capsules will be done as a "VERY" expensive option. The main mic is a 3u capsule. So, we have to set up the assembly line. While it takes some time guys, I can promise you this mic is really going to be a magical mic. Despite our dissapointments in not showing you a mic yet at NAMM, all of the delay's have made the mic significantly better. No excuses, just bad timing. __________________ Alan Hyatt PMI Audio Group e-mail: alan@pmiaudio.com

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