An aux expander?

[swankdoc]

Anyone know of an outboard device that basically takes a few line levels in (sends from my boards aux's), and then allows these to be expanded into a few more aux sends. Currently my board just has 6 aux sends which equates of course to just 3 stereo effects.
So it would be cool to send say my aux 2 to an outboard device, that then allows me to dial say an addition 4 auxs from there. Then can return these to availble channels on the mixer.
Or better yet, take in 4 auxs, with 4-6 new aux sends each.
Sounds simple, and I figured someone makes something like that, but havent seen one.
I know just a new mixer would do this just by sending an an aux send from mixer 1 to a channle input on mixer 2 and using mixer 2 aux sends, but I dont need all the peripheral stuff or the 'color' that a small mixer would add. Also, mixer 2 would still only have a total of say 6 aux sends, so your not necessarily gaining sends that way. (I know I can send say just one aux send from mixer 1 to mixer 2 and therefor expand that into how many ever aux sends the new mixer has).
Also, have checked out the 'auxpander' by shure, and that wont work cuz it works on inserts only, so it doesnt actually gain you any sends.

It just needs to be a device that has line level in, then each channel in can be dialed to say 4 new aux sends each per channel. Simple right?

[tINY]

I'd try using mono sends - that's a lot of stereo mic pairs to a lot of stereo input effects.

What are you trying to do anyway?

Ever think of using inserts or direct outs?



-tINY

[swankdoc]

Originally Posted by tINY

I'd try using mono sends - that's a lot of stereo mic pairs to a lot of stereo input effects.

What are you trying to do anyway?

e see the reverb thread. A total of 3 stereo effects never quite seems enough for the whole mix.

Originally Posted by tINY

Ever think of using inserts or direct outs?

-tINY

sure. but that still limits the send to one mono per channel beyond the aux's. Plus the inserts get used via compression / EQ and its pretty rough to use a reverb type processor as an insert.
I dunno, its just such a simple concept I figured there'd be one made somewhere.

[tINY]

I'm still not clear on what you are up to...

But, you could look for distribution amps, mic splitters, or, if using reasonabley modern equipment, just wire the effects inputs in parallel.

You loose some control over what level of each stereo pair goes to each unit, but you get signal there...

You could buy a mixer with 8 or 12 aux busses or go digital too....



-tINY

[squeegybug]

http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Produc...pander_content

Steve

[swankdoc]

Originally Posted by tINY

I'm still not clear on what you are up to...

im just trying to figure a way to get more assignable aux sends per channel on my analog board.

Originally Posted by tINY

But, you could look for distribution amps, mic splitters, or, if using reasonabley modern equipment, just wire the effects inputs in parallel.
You loose some control over what level of each stereo pair goes to each unit, but you get signal there...
You could buy a mixer with 8 or 12 aux busses or go digital too....
-tINY

I think in order to get done what Im thinking, Im gonna have to get a small side mixer. Im just sorta surprised something like this doesnt already exist.

Originally Posted by squeegybug

http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Produc...pander_content

Steve

right, thats doesnt work as I mentioned above because it works all off inserts. And when you do the math, you dont gain any additional aux sends.

[tINY]

http://www.soundcraft.com/product_sh...?product_id=17


Soundcraft makes one. Just run the direct out of each channel into a line in on this baby and you can have 24 aux buses. It's cheap too....



-tINY

[Steamy Williams]

Originally Posted by swankdoc

right, thats doesnt work as I mentioned above because it works all off inserts. And when you do the math, you dont gain any additional aux sends.

I don't understand why this wouldn't work for you. What is the problem with it taking the signal from the inserts?

I'm currently in the process of having a boutique manufacturer make me a custom unit to increase the number of aux sends on one of their standard mixers. It takes the signal from parallels from either the inserts (pre-fade) or from the direct outputs (post-fade). I can change all of the extra aux sends from pre to post-fade or back just my swapping a couple of D-subs around.

[robd]

I think the shure auxpander is what you want. Try downloading the manual and reading it. I would imagine that you can make it work.

[swankdoc]

Originally Posted by robd

I think the shure auxpander is what you want. Try downloading the manual and reading it. I would imagine that you can make it work.

I did (prior to my first post), and it doesnt help. I could try to explain here, but just take my word for it. It is an 8-in 4-out set up.

[swankdoc]

Originally Posted by tINY

http://www.soundcraft.com/product_sh...?product_id=17

Soundcraft makes one. Just run the direct out of each channel into a line in on this baby and you can have 24 aux buses. It's cheap too....
-tINY

Hey thanks.
Do you think I can rack this vertically?

[nathanvacha]

you mean take the 6 auxiliary outs of your desk and split those? i think you're talking about mult'ing. you can split this line level signal at a patchbay or simply making some "y" or split cables.

the restrictions you're going to face is that there's no way to add more aux. mixes, if you do it after your mixer, w/o another mixer, you can't split up what's already in those aux's and change the mix of a few channels that are coming out of one aux. i think this is what's confusing people about your question.

if i missed it completely, hey, no offense, but that's how i understood it and it's really just as simple as splitting/mult'ing the signal.

[tINY]

Originally Posted by swankdoc

Hey thanks.
Do you think I can rack this vertically?

They are modular - I'm sure you could rack up a few input chanels and an output module somehow....


-tINY