Recordermans OverHead Video

Bobalou · 2nd November 2006, 07:12 AM

I saw on the net at one time a video some cats made demoing the recorderman overhead setup. has anyone seen it or can locate it. (havent had much luck internet searching)

drBill · 2nd November 2006, 07:58 AM

LOL This question seems to come up every week or so. Last time it was me and I bookmarked it:

http://sfrecording.com/videos/DrumRecording.mp4

Ps - the R mic is _behind_ the drummers R shoulder. Kind of hard to see on the video.

dokushoka · 2nd November 2006, 08:11 AM

Man, the guy narrating that sure has a sexy voice...

gainreduction · 2nd November 2006, 10:51 AM

Why are people calling this the recorderman technique ?

As far as I'm concerned it's Glynn Johns (or is it Jones ?) who came up with it.

PhilR · 2nd November 2006, 01:38 PM

I think that video should be accompanied by a few caveats for drummers with non-tiny kits. We tried it on my own setup and found that the stated mic placement would put the mic where I place my china cymbal. Hardly ideal for me as a player....

scrubs · 2nd November 2006, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gainreduction

Why are people calling this the recorderman technique ?

As far as I'm concerned it's Glynn Johns (or is it Jones ?) who came up with it.

Recorderman does not take credit for inventing this technique, he's just the guy who popularized it on internet forums. Although similar, I thought the Glyn Johns' setup had the second mic peeking over the floor tom at the snare, not over the drummer's right shoulder: http://www.danalexanderaudio.com/glynjohns.htm

kats · 2nd November 2006, 04:42 PM

Quote:

As far as I'm concerned it's Glynn Johns (or is it Jones ?) who came up with it

Not really.

dokushoka · 2nd November 2006, 07:10 PM

Yeah I've had someone who worked with Glynn Johns show me his technique, and its quite different. The primary focus of "The Recorderman Technique" is really to get the kick and snare as centered in the image and as in phase as possible. Glynn's pioneered "seeing" the kit from the same basic perspecitive, but, as from what I understand, did not go as far into phase coherency.

drBill · 2nd November 2006, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dokushoka

as from what I understand, did not go as far into phase coherency.

From the pic a few posts above, there's no way the mic over the tom is in no way equidistant from both K and Sn as with the "recorderman" (or whoever) technique. So maybe this really is the "recorderman" technique.

seawell · 5th November 2006, 06:55 PM

Does this technique still work out o.k. if you're close micing all toms, etc? In other words close micing all the drums like you normally would but then using this technique for your overhead mics.

allstar · 5th November 2006, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seawell

Does this technique still work out o.k. if you're close micing all toms, etc? In other words close micing all the drums like you normally would but then using this technique for your overhead mics.

Yes, it does work out.

No more phase issues than you would find in any other kit micing technique IME.

You're going to have to explore a few polarity combinations to get the best, but that's par for the course with multimiced drum setups.

seawell · 5th November 2006, 07:14 PM

Thanks Allstar.

borau · 5th November 2006, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilR

I think that video should be accompanied by a few caveats for drummers with non-tiny kits. We tried it on my own setup and found that the stated mic placement would put the mic where I place my china cymbal. Hardly ideal for me as a player....

haha, what about removing the china, except from when you actually use it. You're not going to use it that many times during a record, are you?

imhe, i always found it to be a good idea to reduce the kit to the absolute minimum for the song in question.

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Bobalou Gear maniac Join Date: May 2003 Location: socal Posts: 275	Recordermans OverHead Video I saw on the net at one time a video some cats made demoing the recorderman overhead setup. has anyone seen it or can locate it. (havent had much luck internet searching)

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dokushoka Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: San Francisco / L.A. Posts: 1,082	Yeah I've had someone who worked with Glynn Johns show me his technique, and its quite different. The primary focus of "The Recorderman Technique" is really to get the kick and snare as centered in the image and as in phase as possible. Glynn's pioneered "seeing" the kit from the same basic perspecitive, but, as from what I understand, did not go as far into phase coherency. __________________ San Francisco based Mixing and Production http://www.sfrecording.com

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2nd November 2006, 07:58 AM	#2
drBill Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: So Cal Posts: 3,746	LOL This question seems to come up every week or so. Last time it was me and I bookmarked it: http://sfrecording.com/videos/DrumRecording.mp4 Ps - the R mic is _behind_ the drummers R shoulder. Kind of hard to see on the video.

2nd November 2006, 10:51 AM	#4
gainreduction Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,648	Why are people calling this the recorderman technique ? As far as I'm concerned it's Glynn Johns (or is it Jones ?) who came up with it.

2nd November 2006, 01:38 PM	#5
PhilR Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nottingham, UK Posts: 300	I think that video should be accompanied by a few caveats for drummers with non-tiny kits. We tried it on my own setup and found that the stated mic placement would put the mic where I place my china cymbal. Hardly ideal for me as a player....

5th November 2006, 06:55 PM	#10
seawell Gear addict Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Brown Summit, NC, USA Posts: 344	Does this technique still work out o.k. if you're close micing all toms, etc? In other words close micing all the drums like you normally would but then using this technique for your overhead mics.

5th November 2006, 07:14 PM	#12
seawell Gear addict Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Brown Summit, NC, USA Posts: 344	Thanks Allstar.