Ive just heard the new My Chemical Romance album....

LongWave · 22nd October 2006, 03:26 AM

and its absolutely AMAZING.

teenagers is a hell of a tune.

i dig the production on this record too.

anyone else heard it yet?

tgrokz · 22nd October 2006, 07:23 AM

i literally laughed out loud when i herd it. byfar one of the funniest cds i have ever herd.

dwdrummer · 22nd October 2006, 07:29 AM

great cd!! i like the song "mama." this is going to be huge beyond huge.
who produced this again?

Rufuss Sewell · 28th October 2006, 09:39 AM

I've been listening to The Black Parade several times a day since I bought it Monday night. I'm not usually into the punk-pop thing, but these guys are definitely on a different level. They pretty much rip off lots of classic riffs, but I like it. Lots of subtle tips of the hat to Pink Floyd, Queen... (the guitarist seems to be diligently studying Brian May's tone/style/notes/vibrato) Kiss, and unfortunately Blink 182. If these guys would divert from the Blink 182 realm they occasionally slip into, they'd be one of my favorite bands.

I'd give:

The music an 8 out 10
The Production a 9 out of 10
The MASTERING a 2 out of 10

Totally squashed. The music and production is so 70's rock. Why sell out and give it 2000's lame ass mastering? Why? Oh why?

I know one day they'll remaster the great albums from this sick forsaken era. But how long will we have to wait???

Anyway, despite the mastering this album kicks some serious ass. Also check out the song "The Ghost of You" on their previous album "Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge." It a classic. I can't seem to go a day without listening to that song about 10 times.

planet red · 28th October 2006, 04:41 PM

I bought it yesterday. I think its great. You can definetly hear CLA mixed it right away.

I'm pretty sure Rob Cavallo doesnt make bad records. I dont hear about him doing much, but everything he works on his huge.

Ol' Betsey · 28th October 2006, 05:09 PM

I haven't bought the the record and judging by a live performance I saw on UK TV I won't be in the future either.

Really, it was the biggest pile of poo I've seen in a long time.

I'm sure the album production is amazing, especially for the genre, but my god.

The lyrics, his voice and THEN the musical arrangement! It started almost showband-like and then went into the worst approximation of pseudo-punk I've EVER heard. I mean REALLY! The bass/drum/guitar rhythm was, quite frankly, embarrassing.

But that's just me...

Funny story: A girl I know in the industry over here went to a show and the singer comes out on stage and unrolls a poster of himself and shows it too the audience.

He yells, you know in that really bad way that stadium rock bands yell, in that 'Hello Cleveland' type of way?

Anyway, he yells 'How many of you have this poster on your wall?'

And the crowd, obviously gagging for it and totally in love with the band (all due respect here) scream and jump up and down and chorus of 'Me! Me! Me!' returns from the audience.

He thens yells back 'Well, I want you to go home and tear them all up. Rip them to pieces. We're all about the music and this is just image!'

I don't now, call me cynical, but the last time I saw a picture of the band the only thing I remember is some kid with dyed blonde hair, eyeliner and painted finger nails.

Oh yeah, and the music. But that's only because it was so bad...

But they're kids. And kids are DEFINITELY diggin' em' so best of luck.

R.

Rufuss Sewell · 28th October 2006, 07:42 PM

What actually got me into this band was the concert on MTV overdrive. I think it's called MTV2's $2 bill. There's another concert on MySpace that kicks ass too.

Anyway, one thing that gives me a lot of respect for MCR is that they've released a ton of live footage all over the internet. Their marketing plan is like 80% live footage and interviews rather than just doing videos to the pre-recorded music. And we're talking entire concerts. From what I've seen so far they're pretty great live, although the MTV VMA's performance sucked pretty bad. As a musician I can see how it would be hard to get into a performance when you're just there to play one song.

As far as Gerard's stage antics, I think he just has a huge ego. I also think huge ego's are necessary to get the masses to believe in you. Rock and roll is based on big egos. That's probably why rap took over rock in the 90's. Rock was about self loathing at the time so all the kids started worshiping the rappers with the highest amount of self importance they could fit onto an album.

Anyway, check out the $2 bill concert. Pretty good stuff.

DontLetMeDrown · 28th October 2006, 07:43 PM

I just finished listening all the way thru the CD for the first time. I know people like to bash these guys, but this CD is ****in great. If I had to describe it in a single word: UNPREDICTABLE-- and I usually can't say that about most mainstream acts. It's safe to say that if you liked "Three Cheers..." you will like this one too. I honestly think the mastering is not as bad as that disc. And the lyrics are ****in hilarious-- the teenager song ("Teenagers Scare the shit outta me!") and the secret track about blood left me with a big smile. For ten bucks, what more could I ask for.

paulnowo · 28th October 2006, 09:36 PM

I have only had a chance to listen to this on a really low-end "5.1" system but I cannot stand the way his voice was treated on this CD - and I have been an MCR fan since "I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me Your Love". The music is interesting but I don't know how well it will fly. It reminds me of the new Killers album in that you need to listen to it a few times before you really get it.

Scinx · 28th October 2006, 09:47 PM

Im with Ol' Betsey on this one.

As for Black Parade, it sounds to me like a very lame attempt of a new Bohemian Rhapsody-esque story type classic. I don't listen to commercial radio much, but when that song comes on (which is every 20 minutes it seems), its an instant channel change.

But good for them for making something so many people liked. I didnt know that people outside of the teenager range were digging these dudes so much...interesting...

Duardo · 28th October 2006, 11:26 PM

I saw/hear them for the first time (that I was aware of) on SNL and was immediately turned off by the singer...my wife and I just looked at each other with a kind of puzzled look...but not long thereafter I said "you know, I think I'd really like this song if I didn't have to see the guy singing"...maybe I'll give the album a listen...

-Duardo

photoresistor · 28th October 2006, 11:38 PM

cant stand em...

vocomotion · 29th October 2006, 02:40 AM

Duardo,

My wife and I did the same thing! Their live performance on SNL didn't sound very good to me and the song seemed all over the place...but I just bought the CD and gave it many listens...it's pretty cool. It has a Green Day meets Pink Floyd meets Queen feel to it. Very theatrical. Of course, it doesn't feel particularly original in almost any way, but it has its moments. There are some interesting classical music "quotes" thrown into some of the melodies too.

Ya gotta love the random Liza Minelli cameo appearance. She sounds kinda awful, but it works for the song. I love "This Is How I Disappear" "Welcome to the Black Parade" and "Mama" for sure. I can definitely detect horns (synth?) in "Welcome to the Black Parade" which seems almost cheezy now that I noticed it.

Still...I dig.

--> freddie

zboy2854 · 29th October 2006, 03:57 AM

Haven't heard the rest of the album, but saw the SNL performance and the video for the first single, and I all I could think of was, "Freddy Mercury wants his schtick back". Hell, even the whole band was dressed in one of Freddy's outfits! It made me think if all that's left is for today's bands to retread the stuff that was done more originally and better 30 years ago, it's no wonder the labels can't sell music anymore...

confooshus · 29th October 2006, 05:13 AM

I started a thread about this in the 'Good News' section, and didn't get anywhere near this much interest... Anyway, I'll never forget the first time I saw the video for "Helena". It was also the first time I'd heard the song, and I was speechless. I know his voice drives some people crazy, but I LOVE it. The thing about them is that when I listen to their music, I FEEL something. It's such a rare thing for me, it's only happened a handful of times in the last 5 years (the first time I heard "Hide and Seek" by Imogen Heap did the same thing to me). Anyway the Black Parade album makes me wanna punch through a wall, in a good way. How many other albums can conjure up such intense emotion? Not many for me... Also I saw an interview with them on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkrdxv04Luc), and I really respect them even more now. They've got something to say. And that's also a rare thing these days. I know I sound like a 14 yr old raving on and on about them... Can't help it.

wwittman · 29th October 2006, 07:33 PM

if you haven't actually heard the PRE-mastered mixes, then you have no idea what mastering did or did not do.

These are all pros involved.

first, i'd be surprised if it was "squashed" in mastering.
and second, if indeed it was, it was certainly at the behest of the producer and band.

you don't think Rob Cavallo can get his records mastered the way he wants them?

really... the armchair, bedroom, monday morning critiquing of mastering is getting ridiculous.

chaka89 · 29th October 2006, 08:51 PM

one of the few mainstream bands that i do really like. i agree with wwittman, i dont see how anybody could really comment on the mastering since no one has heard it unmastered. the recording sounds killer, and the mix is great.

RKrizman · 29th October 2006, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwittman

if you haven't actually heard the PRE-mastered mixes, then you have no idea what mastering did or did not do.

These are all pros involved.

first, i'd be surprised if it was "squashed" in mastering.
and second, if indeed it was, it was certainly at the behest of the producer and band.

you don't think Rob Cavallo can get his records mastered the way he wants them?

really... the armchair, bedroom, monday morning critiquing of mastering is getting ridiculous.

Can't stop listening to Teenager. Great stuff. But no matter who did it, I think it's squashed to death needlessly. Doubtless by design.

-R

El Fatso · 30th October 2006, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scinx

I didnt know that people outside of the teenager range were digging these dudes so much...interesting...

i was unaware of this as well

Rufuss Sewell · 30th October 2006, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwittman

if you haven't actually heard the PRE-mastered mixes, then you have no idea what mastering did or did not do.

Hmmm... good point. Let me rephrase. I love this album. But I think it really sucks that the quiet parts sound louder that the loud parts. I also think it sucks that when I listen to this album at a high volume my ears start to hurt after a few minutes and everything starts sounding like white noise. And yet it again it sucks that the songs sound better in my crappy car stereo than my multi-thousand dollar monitoring system.

I honestly couldn't care less whether it was the producer or the mastering guys decision to make it sound that way. But I'd feel pretty confident guessing that these unfortunate attributes appeared at the mastering stage.

Jenre · 31st October 2006, 03:00 PM

****ing awful

88fingerz · 31st October 2006, 03:15 PM

We're living in an age of sub-mediocrity on the rock/pop airwaves. Whenever something mediocre comes along, today's music fans label it "Genious"!

This band stinks.

Friedemann · 31st October 2006, 03:19 PM

MCR really kicks **s.

"The black parade" has a very good production and sounds awesome. But although "three cheers for..." has the much worse sound (pretty much!!) I think it is the better album. TCFSR gives me the creeps. TBP just rocks me.
I like to rock, but I love to get the creeps ;)

Nevertheless, I think the band had a great development over their three albums.

Please don´t complain about the mastering... TCFSR is MUCH worse ;)

Three cheers from Friedemann

zboy2854 · 31st October 2006, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Friedemann

Please don´t complain about the mastering... TCFSR is MUCH worse ;)

There ya have it, folks. There's nothing wrong with the sound of the current record. Of course, you just have to listen to it in the context of their previous record...

Or, you can just say both are unacceptably over-limited.

confooshus · 31st October 2006, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zboy2854

Or, you can just say both are unacceptably over-limited.

Unacceptable to who? It's acceptable to me... I don't buy albums to grade them. I just wanna feel something. And I feel it with MCR. I kinda feel bad for people that become such tech heads that they can't enjoy actual music anymore. I'm not saying "if you don't like MCR, then you just don't get music"... I'm just saying if the mastering job is what makes or breaks music to you, you've got a warped perspective. I thought their last album *sounded* pretty sub-par, but it didn't matter, it still was a kick in the balls.

zboy2854 · 31st October 2006, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by confooshus

Unacceptable to who? It's acceptable to me... I don't buy albums to grade them. I just wanna feel something. And I feel it with MCR. I kinda feel bad for people that become such tech heads that they can't enjoy actual music anymore. I'm not saying "if you don't like MCR, then you just don't get music"... I'm just saying if the mastering job is what makes or breaks music to you, you've got a warped perspective. I thought their last album *sounded* pretty sub-par, but it didn't matter, it still was a kick in the balls.

Umm, I don't grade albums either. It's not about being a tech head. It's about not being able to listen to an album for more than a couple songs before your ears start to hurt. Perhaps you should re-read my post, where I was talking about the "sound" of the record, NOT the songs or performances themselves. Oh, and for the record, this site is called Gearslutz, where we (gasp!) talk about gear and technical issues. Imagine that.

And no, a poor mastering job doesn't break the music, it just makes the listening experience that much less enjoyable. And our goal as engineers and producers should be at best, to present the material in the best possible light, but at the very least, for whatever processing or work we do to it to NOT get in the way of the material, or take away from the listening process. As they say in medicine, the first rule should be "do no harm".

But hey, if the sonics are acceptable to you, then you go on with your bad self.

KrisNY · 31st October 2006, 05:58 PM

So this IS the CLA + Rob Cavallo team again - thought so. It's sort of rubbing me the wrong way that "epic" and "huge" are the only way to make a rock record right now. How many times can American Idiot be remade?

That being said, I've only heard the single, but it's pretty damn good. Sounds just like the AFI and Green Day production, but it's good.

I dunno, I guess I'm torn.

zkaudio · 31st October 2006, 07:55 PM

The money should really be going to the producers on the last two albums... the singer is so horrendously tone deaf, it's not even funny. To make matters worse, I saw them get boo'd twice opening for other bands before they signed their deal. Someone wrote good songs though for the last album, and like I always say, if the songs are there, it'll happen.

six_wax · 5th November 2006, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwittman

if you haven't actually heard the PRE-mastered mixes, then you have no idea what mastering did or did not do.

These are all pros involved.

first, i'd be surprised if it was "squashed" in mastering.

Have you heard *this* album? There's a pretty distinct "fingerprint" on it... With all due respect, I think if you hear the record, you'll agree with the assessment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwittman

and second, if indeed it was, it was certainly at the behest of the producer and band.

you don't think Rob Cavallo can get his records mastered the way he wants them?

No A&R or other label involvement at that stage?

CLA has a pretty distinct sound to his mixes, and that's pretty apparent, but I'd be real suprised if his (nothing if not reliable!) mixing and (typically transparent) bus compression was responsible for the extreme coloration and eq that is apparent on the master. Just not really his style.

The vocal does feel kind of buried in the band (stylistically appropriate), and it seems quite plausible to me that the ME was either inclined or asked to bring the vocal out more. This would kind of explain the (seemingly extreme) EQ'ing... And I've known an ME or two that would pull out some heavy coloration to add "cohesion" to something that required that kind of treatment...

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwittman

really... the armchair, bedroom, monday morning critiquing of mastering is getting ridiculous.

How about the "artistic critique & professional analysis" of what's setting the market these days? I'm making my living as an engineer and producer, so I kind of feel like it's my job!

...

Overall, I think it's a killer frickin' record, but DAMN is it hard to listen to it's so unbelievably LOUD. Same reaction I had to the Muse album... The music kicks ass, but I wish I weren't being beaten over the head with the extreme loudness of it.

I love the epic rock thing. The Queen homages are frickin' great... Anything that prizes prooduction

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22nd October 2006, 03:26 AM	#1
LongWave Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 401	Ive just heard the new My Chemical Romance album.... and its absolutely AMAZING. teenagers is a hell of a tune. i dig the production on this record too. anyone else heard it yet?

28th October 2006, 09:39 AM	#4
Rufuss Sewell Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,304	I've been listening to The Black Parade several times a day since I bought it Monday night. I'm not usually into the punk-pop thing, but these guys are definitely on a different level. They pretty much rip off lots of classic riffs, but I like it. Lots of subtle tips of the hat to Pink Floyd, Queen... (the guitarist seems to be diligently studying Brian May's tone/style/notes/vibrato) Kiss, and unfortunately Blink 182. If these guys would divert from the Blink 182 realm they occasionally slip into, they'd be one of my favorite bands. I'd give: The music an 8 out 10 The Production a 9 out of 10 The MASTERING a 2 out of 10 Totally squashed. The music and production is so 70's rock. Why sell out and give it 2000's lame ass mastering? Why? Oh why? I know one day they'll remaster the great albums from this sick forsaken era. But how long will we have to wait??? Anyway, despite the mastering this album kicks some serious ass. Also check out the song "The Ghost of You" on their previous album "Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge." It a classic. I can't seem to go a day without listening to that song about 10 times. __________________ FOR SALE: 32ch DAKING 1112 console Check the classifieds!!! www.MySpace.com/NebulostProductions

28th October 2006, 05:09 PM	#6
Ol' Betsey Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: London Posts: 1,150	I haven't bought the the record and judging by a live performance I saw on UK TV I won't be in the future either. Really, it was the biggest pile of poo I've seen in a long time. I'm sure the album production is amazing, especially for the genre, but my god. The lyrics, his voice and THEN the musical arrangement! It started almost showband-like and then went into the worst approximation of pseudo-punk I've EVER heard. I mean REALLY! The bass/drum/guitar rhythm was, quite frankly, embarrassing. But that's just me... Funny story: A girl I know in the industry over here went to a show and the singer comes out on stage and unrolls a poster of himself and shows it too the audience. He yells, you know in that really bad way that stadium rock bands yell, in that 'Hello Cleveland' type of way? Anyway, he yells 'How many of you have this poster on your wall?' And the crowd, obviously gagging for it and totally in love with the band (all due respect here) scream and jump up and down and chorus of 'Me! Me! Me!' returns from the audience. He thens yells back 'Well, I want you to go home and tear them all up. Rip them to pieces. We're all about the music and this is just image!' I don't now, call me cynical, but the last time I saw a picture of the band the only thing I remember is some kid with dyed blonde hair, eyeliner and painted finger nails. Oh yeah, and the music. But that's only because it was so bad... But they're kids. And kids are DEFINITELY diggin' em' so best of luck. R. __________________ When I haven't any blue I use red. (Pablo Picasso) A 'live' musician/producer struggling with technology... Ol' Betsey Satan - The Original Flower Shop 8 track - "She fought long and she fought hard..."

28th October 2006, 07:42 PM	#7
Rufuss Sewell Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,304	What actually got me into this band was the concert on MTV overdrive. I think it's called MTV2's $2 bill. There's another concert on MySpace that kicks ass too. Anyway, one thing that gives me a lot of respect for MCR is that they've released a ton of live footage all over the internet. Their marketing plan is like 80% live footage and interviews rather than just doing videos to the pre-recorded music. And we're talking entire concerts. From what I've seen so far they're pretty great live, although the MTV VMA's performance sucked pretty bad. As a musician I can see how it would be hard to get into a performance when you're just there to play one song. As far as Gerard's stage antics, I think he just has a huge ego. I also think huge ego's are necessary to get the masses to believe in you. Rock and roll is based on big egos. That's probably why rap took over rock in the 90's. Rock was about self loathing at the time so all the kids started worshiping the rappers with the highest amount of self importance they could fit onto an album. Anyway, check out the $2 bill concert. Pretty good stuff. __________________ FOR SALE: 32ch DAKING 1112 console Check the classifieds!!! www.MySpace.com/NebulostProductions

22nd October 2006, 07:23 AM	#2
tgrokz Gear maniac Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 289	i literally laughed out loud when i herd it. byfar one of the funniest cds i have ever herd.

22nd October 2006, 07:29 AM	#3
dwdrummer Gear Head Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 73	great cd!! i like the song "mama." this is going to be huge beyond huge. who produced this again?

28th October 2006, 04:41 PM	#5
planet red Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: historic richmond va Posts: 651	I bought it yesterday. I think its great. You can definetly hear CLA mixed it right away. I'm pretty sure Rob Cavallo doesnt make bad records. I dont hear about him doing much, but everything he works on his huge.

28th October 2006, 07:43 PM	#8
DontLetMeDrown Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Camarillo, CA Posts: 1,206	I just finished listening all the way thru the CD for the first time. I know people like to bash these guys, but this CD is **in great. If I had to describe it in a single word: UNPREDICTABLE-- and I usually can't say that about most mainstream acts. It's safe to say that if you liked "Three Cheers..." you will like this one too. I honestly think the mastering is not as bad as that disc. And the lyrics are **in hilarious-- the teenager song ("Teenagers Scare the shit outta me!") and the secret track about blood left me with a big smile. For ten bucks, what more could I ask for.

28th October 2006, 09:36 PM	#9
paulnowo Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 161	I have only had a chance to listen to this on a really low-end "5.1" system but I cannot stand the way his voice was treated on this CD - and I have been an MCR fan since "I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me Your Love". The music is interesting but I don't know how well it will fly. It reminds me of the new Killers album in that you need to listen to it a few times before you really get it.

28th October 2006, 09:47 PM	#10
Scinx Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Northeast USA Posts: 515	Im with Ol' Betsey on this one. As for Black Parade, it sounds to me like a very lame attempt of a new Bohemian Rhapsody-esque story type classic. I don't listen to commercial radio much, but when that song comes on (which is every 20 minutes it seems), its an instant channel change. But good for them for making something so many people liked. I didnt know that people outside of the teenager range were digging these dudes so much...interesting... __________________ . W H A T • I S • S C I N X ? http://www.scinx.com

28th October 2006, 11:26 PM	#11
Duardo Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,018	I saw/hear them for the first time (that I was aware of) on SNL and was immediately turned off by the singer...my wife and I just looked at each other with a kind of puzzled look...but not long thereafter I said "you know, I think I'd really like this song if I didn't have to see the guy singing"...maybe I'll give the album a listen... -Duardo

28th October 2006, 11:38 PM	#12
photoresistor Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 21	cant stand em...

29th October 2006, 02:40 AM	#13
vocomotion Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 176	Duardo, My wife and I did the same thing! Their live performance on SNL didn't sound very good to me and the song seemed all over the place...but I just bought the CD and gave it many listens...it's pretty cool. It has a Green Day meets Pink Floyd meets Queen feel to it. Very theatrical. Of course, it doesn't feel particularly original in almost any way, but it has its moments. There are some interesting classical music "quotes" thrown into some of the melodies too. Ya gotta love the random Liza Minelli cameo appearance. She sounds kinda awful, but it works for the song. I love "This Is How I Disappear" "Welcome to the Black Parade" and "Mama" for sure. I can definitely detect horns (synth?) in "Welcome to the Black Parade" which seems almost cheezy now that I noticed it. Still...I dig. --> freddie __________________ Freddie Feldman VOCOMOTION www.vocomotion.com - A Cappella Recording Studio www.acaTunes.com - Digital A Cappella Music Store www.DarkSideVoices.com - Dark Side of the Moon A Cappella www.TheThumper.com - The Thumper Throat Microphone

29th October 2006, 03:57 AM	#14
zboy2854 Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Posts: 4,887	Haven't heard the rest of the album, but saw the SNL performance and the video for the first single, and I all I could think of was, "Freddy Mercury wants his schtick back". Hell, even the whole band was dressed in one of Freddy's outfits! It made me think if all that's left is for today's bands to retread the stuff that was done more originally and better 30 years ago, it's no wonder the labels can't sell music anymore... __________________ "Let me control the money, and I care not who makes the laws" -Mayer Rothschild "Any chairman of the Federal Reserve, is more powerful than even our president." -Ron Paul

29th October 2006, 05:13 AM	#15
confooshus Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashville Posts: 349	I started a thread about this in the 'Good News' section, and didn't get anywhere near this much interest... Anyway, I'll never forget the first time I saw the video for "Helena". It was also the first time I'd heard the song, and I was speechless. I know his voice drives some people crazy, but I LOVE it. The thing about them is that when I listen to their music, I FEEL something. It's such a rare thing for me, it's only happened a handful of times in the last 5 years (the first time I heard "Hide and Seek" by Imogen Heap did the same thing to me). Anyway the Black Parade album makes me wanna punch through a wall, in a good way. How many other albums can conjure up such intense emotion? Not many for me... Also I saw an interview with them on Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkrdxv04Luc), and I really respect them even more now. They've got something to say. And that's also a rare thing these days. I know I sound like a 14 yr old raving on and on about them... Can't help it. __________________ "At your level, the Samson drum mic kit would be just fine" - air conditioner repairman

29th October 2006, 07:33 PM	#16
wwittman Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: New York Posts: 1,598	if you haven't actually heard the PRE-mastered mixes, then you have no idea what mastering did or did not do. These are all pros involved. first, i'd be surprised if it was "squashed" in mastering. and second, if indeed it was, it was certainly at the behest of the producer and band. you don't think Rob Cavallo can get his records mastered the way he wants them? really... the armchair, bedroom, monday morning critiquing of mastering is getting ridiculous. __________________ William Wittman Producer/Engineer (Cyndi Lauper, Joan Osborne, The Fixx, The Outfield...)

29th October 2006, 08:51 PM	#17
chaka89 Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: richmond, va Posts: 30	one of the few mainstream bands that i do really like. i agree with wwittman, i dont see how anybody could really comment on the mastering since no one has heard it unmastered. the recording sounds killer, and the mix is great.

31st October 2006, 03:00 PM	#21
Jenre Gear maniac Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 221	****ing awful

31st October 2006, 03:15 PM	#22
88fingerz Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 531	We're living in an age of sub-mediocrity on the rock/pop airwaves. Whenever something mediocre comes along, today's music fans label it "Genious"! This band stinks.

31st October 2006, 03:19 PM	#23
Friedemann Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: ruhrarea/berlin Posts: 12	MCR really kicks **s. "The black parade" has a very good production and sounds awesome. But although "three cheers for..." has the much worse sound (pretty much!!) I think it is the better album. TCFSR gives me the creeps. TBP just rocks me. I like to rock, but I love to get the creeps ;) Nevertheless, I think the band had a great development over their three albums. Please don´t complain about the mastering... TCFSR is MUCH worse ;) Three cheers from Friedemann __________________ http://www.friedemannkootz.de "I like pancakes, I like pancakes. They make me a happy Peter. I am happy, I am happy..." (Peter Griffin)

31st October 2006, 05:58 PM	#27
KrisNY Gear addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: Suburban NYC Posts: 410	So this IS the CLA + Rob Cavallo team again - thought so. It's sort of rubbing me the wrong way that "epic" and "huge" are the only way to make a rock record right now. How many times can American Idiot be remade? That being said, I've only heard the single, but it's pretty damn good. Sounds just like the AFI and Green Day production, but it's good. I dunno, I guess I'm torn.

31st October 2006, 07:55 PM	#28
zkaudio Gear addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 357	The money should really be going to the producers on the last two albums... the singer is so horrendously tone deaf, it's not even funny. To make matters worse, I saw them get boo'd twice opening for other bands before they signed their deal. Someone wrote good songs though for the last album, and like I always say, if the songs are there, it'll happen.