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Single mic pre for HEAVY metal guitars, bass AND vocals?

Just wondering if anyone had good suggestions for a single channel mic pre that can handle very heavy/brutal guitar tones, as well as bass and screaming vocals. I've been looking at pres like Daking Mic Pre One, Grace Design M101 and possibly an API 512C in a single preamp housing. Just wondering which one of these (or any others) would work best in my situation. My main focus is for it to sound good on the guitars, but since it will be my only pre I will have to use it on everything. Lower price preferred and just FYI guitars are direct through an Axe Fx and vocals are through an SM7B. Thanks.
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Any of those would be great but I prefer api style myself and use the classic api vp28. For load screaming guitars having that second stage to lower the pre output is VERY handy.
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Something with two stages, like a Great River, could provide you with more colour options, but an API will do perfectly fine.
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Go with a cheap neve clone and buy a decent mic is my 2 cents.

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You didn't mention what your budget is, but if you can afford $1,150.00, I'd go with a single-ch. BAE 1073. Sounds good on anything.

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Great river or API would serve you well.
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Since you're using an AxeFX direct, I'd honestly not worry so much about the guitars and focus more on the vocals - you'll get way more tonal control through that preamp than you would a mic / line preamp anyways. You'll be able to impart a little bit of character using a particular flavor of preamp after it, but likely nothing that you couldn't reasonably approximate in your DAW with a decent set of ears, some eq and maybe some compression / saturation.

The SM7B needs a lot of gain to get it really going, so aim for something with 65+ dB on tap and I would also recommend a two-stage preamp for flexibility. As a general rule, I tend towards cleaner preamps the heavier and more complex the source material becomes, but putting a transformer or two in line with a direct guitar is never a bad idea. You really can't go wrong with any that you listed, but the Grace probably wouldn't be my first choice. I tend to prefer API style (another vote for the VP28) on heavier guitar and vocals but Neve style for bass... but if I had to choose one to live with for everything, I'd probably go with a John Hardy M1.

After about $300-400 you're really getting into a Mercedes vs BMW sort of argument - they'll all be more than good enough to get the job done. Let us know what you decide... and go with the Daking because Gearslutz.
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API 512c is my favorite for guitar, but isn't a great all arounder for vocals. I use a great river for all of the applications you described.
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Excellent responses guys, thanks. I will definitely check the VP28 and TG2 as I've heard good things about those as well.
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I found a VP26 online for pretty cheap. Would this do well for my application?
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API on heavy guitars always gave it that extra bit of edge I found.. and I've used Grace and GML pre's... but the API always gave it that bite I thought.
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I found a VP26 online for pretty cheap. Would this do well for my application?
The VP28 is basically a VP26 and a Missing Link stuffed into a single unit, so yes, it would be a good choice for the API style. Tape Op did a good write up a few years back on them that's worth a read.
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Warm Tonebeast comes to mind
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Electrodyne 501 should do ya well for all of those!
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I have Great River ME-1NV and a Hardy M-1. They are the tits for what you are doing.
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I like the weight of the SCA N72 hands down for those three sources for heavy music. API style is probably fine, too. Maybe both would be good to have.
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I have a pair of Vintech x73 Neve clones that rule on metal guitars and vocals. I use a SM7 for vocals as well and I love the Vintech for Anything Metal. I use a Distressor or a 1176 to squish with if needed, the EQ on the x73 is super thick and great for tone shaping. Unfortune that GS users tend to bag on Vintech stuff. It's great Neve clone stuff for the money IMHO.
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A-Designs Ventura. Hands down the best mic pre and instrument amp I have ever used. Hit the transformers hard and listen to what it does to elect. guitars. Eq is the tops too.
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API will serve you well.
I actually prefer Chandler Germanium for heavy stuff... it's bold man.
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Tb12 form the sound you want plunty gain clean or colored
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