Ghost in my studio!!!

[dreamsongs]

Originally Posted by bcgood

Not So New or "Michael" really has hijacked this otherwise cool thread. The experience that happened to me is 100% true and it wasn't hear say, it happened to me. You don't have to believe it or whatever but to sit there and ruin the vibe for everybody else enjoying the stories is just lame. I thought it was an especially cool thread considering this time of year. Oh well, some people, what can you do...

bcgood

I agree with this too...it was a cool little thread until...

What I shared was also a true and scary story. I am convinced that you can't apply one "rule" fits all theory to everything that is, let's say... unexplainable.

I also don't believe there are facts and proof for everything in life but that doesn't mean I believe in "Bigfoot" either. I'm educated so, there are limits to what I believe and don't believe.

The problem is that certain people want to rationalize everything, it's just the way their minds work. Nothing wrong with that and I've met all kinds of people in my world travels. These are usual black and white "no grey areas" argumentative types. They need proof or they don't believe.

To me, it's not that clear cut, I believe there are many many shades of grey. Just give me a paintbrush and I'll show you...

[not_so_new]

Originally Posted by bcgood

Not So New or "Michael" really has hijacked this otherwise cool thread. The experience that happened to me is 100% true and it wasn't hear say, it happened to me. You don't have to believe it or whatever but to sit there and ruin the vibe for everybody else enjoying the stories is just lame. I thought it was an especially cool thread considering this time of year. Oh well, some people, what can you do...

bcgood

Yeah some some people what can you do....

[not_so_new]

Originally Posted by dreamsongs

I also don't believe there are facts and proof for everything in life but that doesn't mean I believe in "Bigfoot" either. I'm educated so, there are limits to what I believe and don't believe.

Okay.... you don't believe in Bigfoot, I am down with that.... please explain why. That is an honest question.

[dbbubba]

Did the guys get so scared that they ran off and neglected to pay for the session?
It sounds like something was being "set up."

DB

[Jim vanBergen]

It sounds to me like a couple of newbies/mixer wannabes who want to tell ghost stories.

You wanna bitch about Michael? I can't believe you'd ignore something intelligent...oh wait, I sure can.

When you move the mic and preamp to another studio and it whines or oscillates, you'll be singing another tune.

[dreamsongs]

Originally Posted by not_so_new

Okay.... you don't believe in Bigfoot, I am down with that.... please explain why. That is an honest question.

It just doesn't fall in the "shades of grey" category...

[dreamsongs]

Originally Posted by dbbubba

Did the guys get so scared that they ran off and neglected to pay for the session?
It sounds like something was being "set up."

DB

No, not at all. They paid, I made sure of that. We actually got together the following week and finished the demos but I never let those guys out of the room though...

I believe in spirits but I'm not stupid...

[robot gigante]

Originally Posted by dreamsongs

So at this point, the guy asked this spirit (supposedly his grandad) if he was really his grandfather to which the spirit replied NO ! At this point, everybody got a cold sweat and began to panic. Then hesitantly, the guy asked if he wasn't, then who was he ? At this point, the cup they were using as a pointer slowly moved to each letter on it's own and spelled S--A--T--A--N...

Right after that, the cup started to spin really fast and one by one knocked all the letters they had made from the table.

I dunno about you, but if I were a ghost, I would do that just to **** with people...

Didn't Slipperman have a really good ghost story that he never finished? Billy Flutey or something like that?

[not_so_new]

Originally Posted by not_so_new

Okay.... you don't believe in Bigfoot, I am down with that.... please explain why. That is an honest question.

Originally Posted by dreamsongs

It just doesn't fall in the "shades of grey" category...

I am not picking a fight with you, this is a serious question because I like to learn about how other people think. You guys are calling me out pretty good but I am keeping it cool. I understand that people get defensive when their belief system is questioned.

Again I just want to learn so this is a real question. Why does Bigfoot fall outside of your shades of grey? Can you point out some reasons why it is outside the shades of grey area?

[Ruphus]

About the allegedly proven Uri Geller example mentioned before:
What was proven is that he bend the spoons with his hands; the amzing thing about it was how willingly people allowed the cheap trick.

Not_So_New, is right. The spooky point is to find out how subjective we are. But we must allow to reveal that first.

When willing to explore about it the warped perception happening every day can really be hard to fathom. Ain´t easy to accept how things that appeared so completely materialized show to have been just wrong observation.

In the same time when you read about how scientists approach for systematic observation it is really fascinating to see how intelligently they procede. One just wouldn´t come to the idea himself.

Refined perception it seems needs dedicated will and generations of pondering on how to exclude subjectivity. No wonder that we, average peeps who are mainly being busy with unrelated daily management can be deceived in our sensing so easily.

Add the banal factor of expectation of sensational occurance to it and there you have superstition and following.

Ruphus

[dreamsongs]

Originally Posted by not_so_new

I am not picking a fight with you, this is a serious question because I like to learn about how other people think. You guys are calling me out pretty good but I am keeping it cool. I understand that people get defensive when their belief system is questioned.

Again I just want to learn so this is a real question. Why does Bigfoot fall outside of your shades of grey? Can you point out some reasons why it is outside the shades of grey area?

You have an inquisitive mind, that's a good thing. I'm like that in many ways as well. You have good points Michael but it's little black and white for me. That's all.

The most honest answer I can give you is that it's up to me to choose what I believe in. I decide and decipher what I think or percieve to be real.

In the "Bigfoot" scenario, I was just giving you an example of something I don't believe in. I could've also said the "Loch Ness Monster" which I also don't believe in. But that's just me...

We could go down a long list of things I choose to believe in or not. It doesn't really make any difference because it's subjective. Everybody has a list. Maybe in my subconscious I have past recollections of documentaries on the Discovery channel about Bigfoot that proved he never existed. Maybe some people never saw anything to the contrary and choose to believe.

What I'm saying in short is that, it's more important for me "not" to be narrow minded about the "inexplicable" things in life. Not everything makes sense and there's not always a sensible explanation.

I've found that the more you see and the more you experience in life is proportionate to the distance from black to white. The more shades of gray you experience, the more you'll know !

Always keep your mind open to anything...

[Gavin]

Originally Posted by not_so_new

I am not picking a fight with you, this is a serious question because I like to learn about how other people think. You guys are calling me out pretty good but I am keeping it cool. I understand that people get defensive when their belief system is questioned.

Again I just want to learn so this is a real question. Why does Bigfoot fall outside of your shades of grey? Can you point out some reasons why it is outside the shades of grey area?

Michael, I agree with a lot of what you've said. In the interest of fair play I wonder if you'd be willing to answer a question.

What would it take for you to believe in ghosts, or at least that a certain phenomenon could not be explained by the world as you understand it?

[not_so_new]

Originally Posted by Gavin

Michael, I agree with a lot of what you've said. In the interest of fair play I wonder if you'd be willing to answer a question.

What would it take for you to believe in ghosts, or at least that a certain phenomenon could not be explained by the world as you understand it?

Hi Gavin.

I have been sitting here watching the Bears getting there a$$ handed to them in the first half here and wondering how to answer that question.

This is not a a flippant answer but.... I honestly don't know because I have never been presented with a situation where a phenomenon could not be explained with more investigation and a better understanding of the events. Untill I am presented with an unexplained situation I really don't know how I would react.

In my "ghost story" earlier in this thread the 5 guys / 1 girl in the band and I were presented with an odd situation. Their first reaction was "that was a ghost" my first reaction was curiosity about the event.... for me it was a challenge to figure out, I like figuring things out and learning. In the end with more investigation the knee jerk reaction was disproved by a little level headed open minded research. I did not assume it was a ghost, I didn't rule it out (I did assume it was a long shot) I just let the evidence take me where it did.

I guess in the end what would convince me of a valid supernatural event would have to come from an even that I witnessed and researched that I could not find a non-supernatural causation for. Strip away all the impossible events and whatever you have left, no matter how unlikely, that is probably your answer. This event could also happen to someone else but the investigation would have to be handled by a very reputable, fact finding, unbiased 3rd party.

I am not saying that ghosts are not possible I am just saying that their existence is HIGHLY unlikely. So far there has never EVER been any reputable evidence presented for their validity, just hearsay and testimonial eyewitness accounts.

As to the reason why this thread is a little frustrating for me and why I am such a bummer about it... It is very shocking to me that a vast majority of the people in America today believe in ghosts yet the belief in something like evolution that does have a LARGE body of factual evidence for is only understood and believed by something like 20% of the population.

[CorkyTart]

I guess this will count as studio related since my first studio was my bedroom. I'll try to make a long story short.

About 12 years ago during the winter in NY right before XMas, I was trying to take a nap and as I was starting to fall asleep, BAM all the lights and electronic devices in my room along with my blasting loud stereo (not the way I left it) turned on. I found that to be quite annoying and basically turned everything off by reaching over my bed and yanking the power strip. Given that all of my electronics were attatched to the strip, that was a quick lazy fix and I started to go back to sleep. Anyhow, a few minutes later as I'm starting to fall asleep, the same god damn thing happened. Now I was REALLY awake because I knew the power strip was disconnected which by default leaves me no electricity. I was somewhere between freaked out and pissed and went into the main living room where my brothers were to see what the hell was going on with the electricity. They said that they heard the stereo blast twice but didn't have any power surges in their area of the house.

I sat down on the couch and told them about the power strip being disconnected and how electronic gear powering itself up made no sense. Given that we were about to set up the XMas tree, we had our XMas tree train set out. The engine of the train was on the rug, the tracks were not set up or anything like that and I made a joke and said what happened in my room made as much sense as the train on the floor going all by itself. Well, guess what, the engine lit up and drove itself three feet across the room. We all looked at each other like, "You've got to be kidding me" and to top it off, I checked the train and it had no batteries in it.

That event was so wierd it almost wasn't wierd but nothing like that happened again.

[chandlersonic]

Originally Posted by dreamsongs

So at this point, the guy asked this spirit (supposedly his grandad) if he was really his grandfather to which the spirit replied NO ! At this point, everybody got a cold sweat and began to panic. Then hesitantly, the guy asked if he wasn't, then who was he ? At this point, the cup they were using as a pointer slowly moved to each letter on it's own and spelled S--A--T--A--N...

I record a lot of heavy metal, did they by any chance ask Satan what mic and mic preamp he would use?

[knightsy]

I'm hoping Slipperman chimes in on this thread.

[valleysound]

This one isn't a studio, but it's almost Halloween anyway! I used to stay in a 200 year old tavern at a job I worked at. It is very original, on the historic registry, and all the stuff in there is period stuff. Kinda weird like a museum, but it was a regular house for some rich guys. The owners talked of ghosts. One ghost report was a woman at the top of the stairs.
One night in a room I decided to stay in that was kinda creepy with some weird old dolls, I hear the stairs creeking. I think it is just the house expanding/contracting with the heat. Well the creeking turned to somethings running up and down the stairs. I finally opened the door and my heart was pounding! I have no idea what I would do if I saw something. Luckily nothing there. Next night same thing. So I open the door, but this time I was pissed. The constant footsteps and doors slaming was keeping me awake! So I said out loud something to the effect "Would you quit running up and down the stairs, I'm trying to sleep"! Never heard anything again! I swear you would have thought there were people going up and down the three story stairs and entering the rooms! After I got over the initial fear I was very curious to see something, but never had anymore expereinces in my three years of staying there.

[7 Hz]

I have just scanned this thread, and I am surprised that no one has said the most obvious thing (to my mind):

This is the sound of a mic stand slowly bending down.

Possibly the click noise has something to do with this as well.

Surely everyone here has heard a mic stand with boom arm make creaky noises? It is, by far, the most obvious, logical, and simple explanation. You had at least 12 mics set up, right? And a whole bunch of drums and other stuff? It is one of these items moving, an item with a friction lock.

Listen to how the sound decays... that aint a mosquito! Or a human voice! It is mechanical vibration set up by slow movement against friction.

Get with the programme people!

[majortom]

Originally Posted by 7 Hz

I have just scanned this thread, and I am surprised that no one has said the most obvious thing (to my mind):

This is the sound of a mic stand slowly bending down.

Possibly the click noise has something to do with this as well.

Surely everyone here has heard a mic stand with boom arm make creaky noises? It is, by far, the most obvious, logical, and simple explanation. You had at least 12 mics set up, right? And a whole bunch of drums and other stuff? It is one of these items moving, an item with a friction lock.

Listen to how the sound decays... that aint a mosquito! Or a human voice! It is mechanical vibration set up by slow movement against friction.

Get with the programme people!

By jove I think he's go it! Who is "jove" anyway... Ah ,yes... a reference to god, the father derived from Latin... I love google.

[mOjO FET]

I wonder what people would think if you just play them the clip and ask them what they think it is.
That might be interesting. I bet most of them would say it's a voice.

I definetaly think it's a voice.

Michael

[orange]

Originally Posted by 7 Hz

I have just scanned this thread, and I am surprised that no one has said the most obvious thing (to my mind):

This is the sound of a mic stand slowly bending down.

Possibly the click noise has something to do with this as well.

Surely everyone here has heard a mic stand with boom arm make creaky noises? It is, by far, the most obvious, logical, and simple explanation. You had at least 12 mics set up, right? And a whole bunch of drums and other stuff? It is one of these items moving, an item with a friction lock.

Listen to how the sound decays... that aint a mosquito! Or a human voice! It is mechanical vibration set up by slow movement against friction.

Get with the programme people!

yep.....

OR

It's a small UFO landing on a mic - c'mon that's just as likely as it being a ghost.

Originally Posted by majortom

By jove I think he's go it! Who is "jove" anyway... Ah ,yes... a reference to god, the father derived from Latin... I love google.

as in jehovah

[huck]

Originally Posted by dreamsongs

You scientific guys are no fun...still...

Nobody has yet explained how the cup moved from letter to letter by itself. It's easy to say "hearsay" but why would 3 normal guys lie about something like that.

From what I recall, and I told this story many times is that, after the "spirit" spelled out SATAN, the cup then started spelling things on it's own, nobody was touching it. I don't think that it's possible to do things like that with your brain. At least not with a musician's brain...ha, ha.

Also, when the guys said they wanted to stop screwing with this, the cup spelled, -"if you leave I will posses you tonight" all by itself.

They had some conversations with this "thing" before they stopped it. The guys said that after this "spirit" exposed himself as SATAN, the cup moved on it's own to answer their questions...

I don't think science can explain everything, really !

sorry, didn't realize that the cup had moved itself...right....
right...

well, your brain is capable of that and much much more...if you take into consideration that, for instance, when hipnotized people can stand straight as nails balanced between two chairs...it's virtually impossible to do something like that when "normal", yet hypnotized people do it..

hey...go watch that travolta movie...even that (brain cells with cancer being consumed so fast (read electrified and turned into supernovas, kind of, blowing themselves up to produce a vast amount of energy) - which is something that happens to us all but at a much slower speed - it's called thinking, reacting, etc, is more plausible (a guy being able to generate magnetic fields and direct them out of personal skill - read, move metalic things without touching them, cause he wants to) than your cup moving alone and 3 stoned guys telling you it did and giving you that reason for it.

seriously, no shit, it's more plausible than your story. waay more..

seriously. no no no,

seriously.

[7 Hz]

Who you gonna call?



7Hz!

[huck]

Originally Posted by dreamsongs

The problem is that certain people want to rationalize everything, it's just the way their minds work. Nothing wrong with that and I've met all kinds of people in my world travels. These are usual black and white "no grey areas" argumentative types. They need proof or they don't believe.

not at all. i don't need proof to know our brains are being used way, but waaaay under their potential. there's some proof that we're capable of much more, but what government wants you flying around and speaking to people without opening your mouth and actually understanding that wars solve nothing? nowadays, studies can only confirm that there's potential for lots and lots more. there isn't a definitive interest about "going there" from the people that actually own the money to finance stuff like that.

of course this is an exageration, but what i'm simply saying is, i'll much quicker believe on our own potential for exceeding ourselves in ways we never imagined, than that there are ghosts and dead people walking around cause they forgot to turn off the oven when they clicked. believing in ghosts also kind of limits you in terms of freedom of thinking (what the lassie fella that posted that interesting link was talking about), so that's a contradiction in itself - you're preaching free speach and free beliefs, etc. you're the one not letting yourself think "grey" in this argument, cause when people say: "hey, it might have been something else" - you go: "nah, i know what i saw".

what about this: a dog can "see" with its nose, a lot better than you'll ever be able to with your eyes.

[huck]

Originally Posted by 7 Hz

Who you gonna call?



7Hz!

bill murray..

idd call bill murray.