ProTools Mix Vs Nuendo Mix: MP3s Posted

[NeoVXR]

I said not a word about the speakers, it is all about what is going on in the computer, but at the periphery of nuendo / PT, not inside.

[T_R_S]

Originally posted by blackcatdigi

I respectfully disagree; YOU'RE TALKING BULLSHIT.


I mean you no disrespect, I just do not appreciate circular arguments.

Please carry on. [/b]

You hit the nail on the head!

[Henchman]

Originally posted by T_R_S
You hit the nail on the head!

Still waiitng to hear about your extensive experience using Nuendo.

[rcn]

Here's the problem with comparing the two as is.
First off, they both sound good. I like the edge, and the mix has a bit more detail for PT. However, the nuendo mix seems to be a bit louder than the PT mix.
You need to make sure the outputs are the same. I do like how the vocals seem a bit more dimensional in nuendo. Maybe the effects were slightly diff.

I agree it's pointless..

[RKrizman]

Originally posted by Henchman

But if the job requires me to use an inferior sounding product, that ****s with yout sound, then that's what I'll use. And I'll do as good a job as is possible without bitching or moaning.

Great! Starting when!

Henchie, you're the one who's doing all the bitching around here. Your endless whining about Protools is legend.

-R

[Henchman]

Originally posted by RKrizman
Great! Starting when!

Henchie, you're the one who's doing all the bitching around here. Your endless whining about Protools is legend.

-R

Have you read the name of this thread?

Again, I ask you, how many months have you spent using Nuendo that makes you think you can have an expert opinion on it?

[Leo Goler]

Henchman, you indeed have a problem with monitoring. Burn the tracks to CD and listen.

I use Nuendo for some years, as well as DP, PT and Samplitude from time to time. They all sound the same. Well, there, in theory, could be difference between integer and 32bit float engines, and/or dither algos, etc., but I don't hear any in real life.

[Henchman]

Originally posted by Leo Goler
Henchman, you indeed have a problem with monitoring. Burn the tracks to CD and listen.

I use Nuendo for some years, as well as DP, PT and Samplitude from time to time. They all sound the same. Well, there, in theory, could be difference between integer and 32bit float engines, and/or dither algos, etc., but I don't hear any in real life.

That's fine, if you can't hear it.
I hear the difference.

Maybe it's not my monitoring that's the issue.

[studjo]

Henchie PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE!

[egor]

Hey,Bang,wassap!
I remember your post on uad forum with link to your songs!!Well..
1.Great music,man,great sound!
2.Look,now i have 2 "Run"s-one is from chrismilne link and another one from link u posted here(remixed?).The second one sounds better to me,richier..What u did?
3.Just one word about the "sound" of different DAWs.I used to work with Dp,Sx and Logic.A lot of mixes done.U know what,i discover that all the DAWs has a different feel to them and then they makes u feel different while u working.This is something like to play on different stages(even more in different countries..).What u think?
Best regards!

[RKrizman]

Originally posted by Henchman
Have you read the name of this thread?

Again, I ask you, how many months have you spent using Nuendo that makes you think you can have an expert opinion on it?

Dude, you've already said you're done arguing about that. Now you're just whining.

-R

[Henchman]

Originally posted by RKrizman
Dude, you've already said you're done arguing about that. Now you're just whining.

-R

Abswer the question. How much time have you spent using Nuendo that gives you enough insight to have an opinion on it?

[RKrizman]

Originally posted by Henchman
Abswer the question. How much time have you spent using Nuendo that gives you enough insight to have an opinion on it?

How much time do I have to spend on Nuendo to know that Protools can spit out exactly what you put into it? I was only guessing that Nuendo can too, but I'll withhold my conclusions about that until I've spent more time with it.

Does that seeem fair?

-R

[Henchman]

Originally posted by RKrizman
How much time do I have to spend on Nuendo to know that Protools can spit out exactly what you put into it? I was only guessing that Nuendo can too, but I'll withhold my conclusions about that until I've spent more time with it.

Does that seeem fair?

-R

I would say so.

[Black Seal]

Jeez,
Can't we all just get a long. Despite what we're all working with. It just depends an the song regardless. We just need to make it clear enough for the consumer on the lo-fi symtems that they're dealing with. Seriously, I appreciate the effort that everyone goes through to make perfect recordings, but without the audience we're just spinning our wheels, right?
Black Seal

P.S.
Ad Nauseum

[Henchman]

Originally posted by Black Seal
Jeez,
Can't we all just get a long. Despite what we're all working with. It just depends an the song regardless. We just need to make it clear enough for the consumer on the lo-fi symtems that they're dealing with.

That may be your goal.
I don't have such low ambitions. I always see it as my job to make it sound as good as possible.
What happens to it after I'm done, I have no control over.

[Black Seal]

I don't have such low ambitions.

OK, I'll take the bait. When I mentioned about just being clean for lo-fi systems, I was referring to the inevitability that all work despite how we polish it will end up on a consumer system. These playback units usually takes all of our hard work and flushes it down the toilet.

I always see it as my job to make it sound as good as possible.

Gee, why didn't I think of that. I think all of us here try their best when making a product that's listenable on many playback systems.

What happens to it after I'm done, I have no control over.

Exactly! That is my point. The masses are who we are targeting. If not, where would be funding come from to drive our gear lust. There are important fish to fry than the typical ProFools/Pooendo debate. If you don't like the summing so be it. The people at the lower end of the food chain will not likely care about which system their music is mixed on. Oh, yeah. Have a Nice Day.
Black Seal

P.S. It has always been about ear pleasing tunes. Period. Now, let's get back to work.

[OzNimbus]

Originally posted by CV7
I've been looking for an alternative to PT for a long time.

*cough* Sawstudio.


check this out:
http://www.sawstudio-media.com/video...ion_Part_1.wmv

[drew]

I've looked at SAW and watched those videos and I see nothing new. Care to elaborate?

[OzNimbus]

Well, if you're unimpressed, I can't help you. From my own experience, since switching over to SS, I've created better mixes and have seen my business increase by 150%. That's not over-exaggerating, either.
Saw does things VERY differently. CV7 said he was looking for an alternative to PT, and I suggested SS. It's definitley an alternative to pretty much everything out there.
Quck feature rundown: Machine language programming. The only DAW that uses ML. You have no idea how powerful your computer is until you've used a program written in ML. Modern programmers have gotten really ****ing lazy. Bloated software is the result, and slow as molasses.

64 bit double precision integer math summing.
Integer math channel comps
Sweet-as-all-hell channel EQ
TCP/IP machine linking (I think you can link 8 PCs together for those really big projects)
Multitrack layers with live swapping. (I did a project last summer where we were swapping 4 takes of 12 drum mics live without stopping playback.)

I'll say this though, SS is not an easy program to learn. It does things in a much different way than any other daw I've ever come across. However, if you actually take the time to learn the interface, you'll wonder how you did without it.

The main point is, however, that people rave about how "clean" it is. One thing is the summing bus..... Myself, I was considering analog summing, but after doing a few projects in SS, I really didn't see a point anymore. The other thing is the channel FX. The EQ's and comps are vastly superior to what's offered in the plugin world. And, according to certain modes of thinking, plugins can effect the sound of a mix much more than a summing bus.

I realize what I've posted here goes against convention, and is somewhat controversial. Sure, I could be full of shit, but don't take my word for it, here's a few reviews of an album I did last summer with SS.
http://www.noofficialcapacity.net/No..._Of_Ypres.html
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=51875#12221