drums of "american idiot" Green Day

coloramas · 30th September 2006, 11:32 PM

Hi, sorry for my english is very bad. I want to know the effects of the drum in this cd. I have the bfd and bfd XFL and the ezdrummer. With this plugins I can obtain a similar sound or is a madness? I have a good collection of plugins of processing.
Any aid in adjustments of equalization and compression for each part of the drum Seth serious me helpful. Here in Spain in the forums that I have asked not they have given me no valued answer. Green Day touches very well, Tree Cool is a wonderful battery, but little but.

I know that the drum set of Tree Cool is this, but nothing more. Tré has his own signature Slingerland drumkit, the "Spitfire". It consists of a 18x22 Slingerland Bass drum, a 5 1/2x14 Slingerland Radio King Snare, a 6 1/2x14 Chrome snare, an 11x14 Slingerland mounted tom, and a 16x16 Slingerland floor tom. Though the Spitfire comes with Slingerland cymbals, Tré still uses a 19" Zildjian K Dark Thin Crash on the left, a 20" Zildjian A Medium Ride on the right, a 22" Zildjian K Heavy Ride on the bottom right, a 14" Zildjian K Medium Top, 14" K Medium Heavy Bottom Hi-Hats, and Zildjian Super 5B drumsticks. He also uses Remo Power Stroke 3 on his snare and bass drums, Remo Coated emperors on the tops of his toms, clear ambassadors on the bottoms, and Remo Falam Slam Pad on the bass drum.

Some graceful one in Spain has answered to me: to buy that drum set and to touch like Tree, that amused truth, and of whichever aid.
I need some help. Thanks.

James Guitar · 30th September 2006, 11:36 PM

hi:
your best bet would be to search the archives. there have been many discussions of the drum sound on that record.
-J

chrisso · 30th September 2006, 11:36 PM

I'm assuming a lot of triggered samples were involved.
Also, I think Tre endorses Ludwig.

It would be hard to know exactly which drums and cymbals were used though.
My best advice is to go your own way, perhaps using the Greenday drum sound as your ideal only.

max cooper · 30th September 2006, 11:54 PM

I've seen Green Day a bunch of times (at the Cocoanut Teaszer even!), and they rock super hard, but Tre is definitely no Dave Grohl or Travis Barker. He's one of those drummers who follows the guitar.

I also notice that he's very inconsistent with his hits. See if you can find a photo of his kit where you can see the heads. dings everywhere.

But he's part of the band, and if it works, it works. I think it's Drumagog city. So you can probably get the sound, but it's gonna be hard to get the feel unless you're using BFD to put sounds on an actual drumkit performance.

I think part of the 'magic' of Tre Cool is unabashed glee. A drummer I know calls him the 'Rikki Rocket' of pop-punk. But he's probably like Krist Noveselic; essential to the band, in musical and non-musical ways.

I think the drum sounds on Warning are a bit nicer than on AI.

Can you list your comp/eq/reverb plugins? I use BFD and XFL just about every day. I can help you get closer, probably.

NVISN · 30th September 2006, 11:58 PM

I would start by going to greenday's website, and find out what he uses. Check the archives for modern drummer magazine, they normally have articles regarding studio work(what they played on, what mics were used, etc...) right when that drummer has a new album coming out.

Gregg Sartiano · 1st October 2006, 12:15 AM

I always found it interesting that en espanol, the act of creating music on an instrument is "tocar" (to touch), while in english, it's "play" (jugar).

To buy the drumset and play like Tre -- and to mix like (who mixed that record, anyway?)...and to have a room (studio) like _____ and mics...and canciones buenos...every ingredient is critical. If you need a drummer, ask on Gearslutz -- many of us know & record top drummers. I work closely with a drummer, and we do drum tracks for jingles (advertencias?) and songs by sending files over the internet. www.synchronicity-music.net

I like tab-to-transients editing on Pro Tools best. Zoom in and paste samples phase-matched EXACTLY to the kick, snare, & toms. I don't think Drumagog or SoundReplacer get close enough on phase & timing, unless you zoom in and cut-paste-slide to repair the tracks. That's just me, and I am a creature of habit...

You never said if you have a "live" drummer, or if you're trying to create a "live" feel with computer-generated tracks.

Incidentally, timing is important as well. Some producers of this kind of music will use Beat Detective (grid editing) on just about everything, even with "good" drummers.

coloramas · 1st October 2006, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by max cooper

.........Can you list your comp/eq/reverb plugins? I use BFD and XFL just about every day. I can help you get closer, probably.

COMP and EQ: Waves Diamond bundle, Sonalkis, URS, Nomad Factory and T-Racks plugins.

Reverb: Waves 1R.

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30th September 2006, 11:32 PM	#1
coloramas Gear interested Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5	drums of "american idiot" Green Day Hi, sorry for my english is very bad. I want to know the effects of the drum in this cd. I have the bfd and bfd XFL and the ezdrummer. With this plugins I can obtain a similar sound or is a madness? I have a good collection of plugins of processing. Any aid in adjustments of equalization and compression for each part of the drum Seth serious me helpful. Here in Spain in the forums that I have asked not they have given me no valued answer. Green Day touches very well, Tree Cool is a wonderful battery, but little but. I know that the drum set of Tree Cool is this, but nothing more. Tré has his own signature Slingerland drumkit, the "Spitfire". It consists of a 18x22 Slingerland Bass drum, a 5 1/2x14 Slingerland Radio King Snare, a 6 1/2x14 Chrome snare, an 11x14 Slingerland mounted tom, and a 16x16 Slingerland floor tom. Though the Spitfire comes with Slingerland cymbals, Tré still uses a 19" Zildjian K Dark Thin Crash on the left, a 20" Zildjian A Medium Ride on the right, a 22" Zildjian K Heavy Ride on the bottom right, a 14" Zildjian K Medium Top, 14" K Medium Heavy Bottom Hi-Hats, and Zildjian Super 5B drumsticks. He also uses Remo Power Stroke 3 on his snare and bass drums, Remo Coated emperors on the tops of his toms, clear ambassadors on the bottoms, and Remo Falam Slam Pad on the bass drum. Some graceful one in Spain has answered to me: to buy that drum set and to touch like Tree, that amused truth, and of whichever aid. I need some help. Thanks.

30th September 2006, 11:58 PM	#5
NVISN Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Mesa, Arizona Posts: 4	I would start by going to greenday's website, and find out what he uses. Check the archives for modern drummer magazine, they normally have articles regarding studio work(what they played on, what mics were used, etc...) right when that drummer has a new album coming out. __________________ Tucker Wolf

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Gregg Sartiano Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lost Angeles Posts: 1,781	I always found it interesting that en espanol, the act of creating music on an instrument is "tocar" (to touch), while in english, it's "play" (jugar). To buy the drumset and play like Tre -- and to mix like (who mixed that record, anyway?)...and to have a room (studio) like _____ and mics...and canciones buenos...every ingredient is critical. If you need a drummer, ask on Gearslutz -- many of us know & record top drummers. I work closely with a drummer, and we do drum tracks for jingles (advertencias?) and songs by sending files over the internet. www.synchronicity-music.net I like tab-to-transients editing on Pro Tools best. Zoom in and paste samples phase-matched EXACTLY to the kick, snare, & toms. I don't think Drumagog or SoundReplacer get close enough on phase & timing, unless you zoom in and cut-paste-slide to repair the tracks. That's just me, and I am a creature of habit... You never said if you have a "live" drummer, or if you're trying to create a "live" feel with computer-generated tracks. Incidentally, timing is important as well. Some producers of this kind of music will use Beat Detective (grid editing) on just about everything, even with "good" drummers. __________________ "We need to legitimize peer-to-peer sharing as a business model, because it's already a business. If [the P2P companies] are going to make money on us, we should have a chance to make money along with them." -- Perry Farrell on the failure of national intellectual property policy to keep up with the rapid evolution of online media "Every Internet transmission of a musical work constitutes a public performance of that work. " http://www.ascap.com/weblicense/webfaq.html

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30th September 2006, 11:36 PM	#2
James Guitar Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 537	hi: your best bet would be to search the archives. there have been many discussions of the drum sound on that record. -J

30th September 2006, 11:36 PM	#3
chrisso Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oz Posts: 3,126	I'm assuming a lot of triggered samples were involved. Also, I think Tre endorses Ludwig. It would be hard to know exactly which drums and cymbals were used though. My best advice is to go your own way, perhaps using the Greenday drum sound as your ideal only.

30th September 2006, 11:54 PM	#4
max cooper Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: tx Posts: 8,819	I've seen Green Day a bunch of times (at the Cocoanut Teaszer even!), and they rock super hard, but Tre is definitely no Dave Grohl or Travis Barker. He's one of those drummers who follows the guitar. I also notice that he's very inconsistent with his hits. See if you can find a photo of his kit where you can see the heads. dings everywhere. But he's part of the band, and if it works, it works. I think it's Drumagog city. So you can probably get the sound, but it's gonna be hard to get the feel unless you're using BFD to put sounds on an actual drumkit performance. I think part of the 'magic' of Tre Cool is unabashed glee. A drummer I know calls him the 'Rikki Rocket' of pop-punk. But he's probably like Krist Noveselic; essential to the band, in musical and non-musical ways. I think the drum sounds on Warning are a bit nicer than on AI. Can you list your comp/eq/reverb plugins? I use BFD and XFL just about every day. I can help you get closer, probably.