19th September 2006
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#1 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Aug 2006
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Thread Starter  | This sux, I have to rethink all my gear.
I finally invested in a good AD converter, the old Apogee Rosetta 96, and it completely screwed up my sound. Everything was setup so perfect with the converters on my EMU 1212m and even the ones on my Kurzweil Rumour. The Rosetta tightened up the bass so much that now I don't even have to hardly touch the EQ, the high end is smoother yet more detailed, now my AKG 451 mics actually do sound like the detailed mics that everyone says they are, I miss my Neumann KM84's... Less reverb is needed to "fix" the sound, I need all new distances from my mics, and mic spacing for each instrument. This really sux... in a good way I guess. I'm scared to try even better converters now. Why wasn't I told? Why didn't someone warn me about this?
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#2 | | Lives for gear
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Yeah, the low end is where I noticed it most, too.
You really wanna be ruined? Go track a whole band to 2" 16 track.
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#3 | | member no 666
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If you tink that fvcked up your life then you really need to stay away from hte RADAR-V at all costs... I have a perfectly good analog deck sitting next to my RADAR-V sucking up electricity hour after hour, day after day and I don't think it's moved an inch of tape in over two weeks... the shit from the RADAR-V sounds THAT good... also, avoid really good microhones like Gefells and Josephsons and anything that resembles a serious pre-amp like a Hardy, Martech or D.W. Fearn... you WILL absolutely be scarred for life.
Peace.
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#4 | | Lives for gear
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Just put all the lowend crap for sale..
You're done for..
Take it slow tho'..
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#5 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Feb 2004 Location: MO USA
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Originally Posted by corn55  I finally invested in a good AD converter, the old Apogee Rosetta 96, and it completely screwed up my sound. | Hopefully you haven't tried good DA and monitors too? More painful lessons waiting.
Steve
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#6 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Sep 2005 Location: Interstate-5, North of Grant's Pass
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| a lesson for upgraders
Once the perfect low-end balance is upset....
Best wishes for an improved equilibrium based on hearing what you have, rather than a beautiful fog.
Drop back, punt the low-grade stuff, and re-organize. Sell it before it depreciates some more.
Take a hard look at what you do. Could you get by with fewer (but better, more expensive) owned channels? Can you rent on short notice locally?
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#7 | | Lives for gear
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Welcome to gearslutz.... 
Buckle up, it never ends.
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#8 | | Lives for gear
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Try tracking on a Radar and then Summing ITB- (not using Radar converters)
Holy Shit, what a Dissapointment.
Steroe imaging- Gone, Depth -Gone..
Cant wait to get Out of the box. Long Live analog.
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#9 | | Gear addict
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It's an old and tired subject but this helps everyone to realize - They had GREAT sound in the 1950's-70s. It's been a few decades where we're trying to get back to that.
The GOOD news is that - now - most everyone can reach great quality sound at home somehow.
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#10 | | Lives for gear
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Well, they had great sound then because they had great artists, and a completely different historical context (war over, everything is nice again, and so on...)
And because the great engineers recording the great artists weren't hanging around in gearslutz all the time 
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#11 | | Gear maniac
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I've already decided to sell the Rosetta, had it for 2 days, and now I want the best. Lavry, Mytek... newer Apogees? I'm in with both feet now. This rocks.
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#12 | | Gearslutz.com admin
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#13 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by corn55 I've already decided to sell the Rosetta, had it for 2 days, and now I want the best. Lavry, Mytek... newer Apogees? I'm in with both feet now. This rocks. | Ouch...
I would hold on a bit there tiger. The Lavry MyTek and X series Apogees are all GREAT but with all high end audio there is a point of diminishing returns. There comes a point where you have to spend 2 times as much to get 1/2 of a noticeable increase in quality.
If the EUM converters are bad (I don't know, never tried them myself) then switching to the Rosetta 96 will make a big difference but don't expect the same amount of difference between the Rosetta and a Mytek. YES there will be a difference but it will not be as big as the experience you just had.
Do yourself a favor and look at some of the Lynx Aurora converters first. GREAT bang for the buck from the reports around here. Save the extra money for other areas of your chain that need the same upgrade that you went from between the EUM and the Rosetta 96.
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#14 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by not_so_new Ouch...
I would hold on a bit there tiger. The Lavry MyTek and X series Apogees are all GREAT but with all high end audio there is a point of diminishing returns. There comes a point where you have to spend 2 times as much to get 1/2 of a noticeable increase in quality.
If the EUM converters are bad (I don't know, never tried them myself) then switching to the Rosetta 96 will make a big difference but don't expect the same amount of difference between the Rosetta and a Mytek. YES there will be a difference but it will not be as big as the experience you just had.
Do yourself a favor and look at some of the Lynx Aurora converters first. GREAT bang for the buck from the reports around here. Save the extra money for other areas of your chain that need the same upgrade that you went from between the EUM and the Rosetta 96. |
I agree with this...
Take a long hard look at what other pieces of gear you can improve on. Monitors, pres, comps the list goes on. You have a good converter already but that's just the beginning.
Welcome and enjoy the ride....and remember, bankruptcy only stays on your credit for 7 years. No big deal right ! 
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#15 | | Lives for gear
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This kind of thing already happened to me.
When I bought my first hi-end preamp, everything sounded so big and detailed that I had to re-learn how to mix and sometimes needed to undo those bigness for blend's sake. I was scared.... How ironic. 
Took me sometime to get used for this "new" sound. thumbsup
Yes, the first thing that caught me was exactly the "no need for eq and verb" feeling.
And that's because I'm still using a 888/24... I shiiiti my paints when I think I'm close to buy an apogee or something.
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#16 | | Lives for gear
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Welcome to hell..  | |
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#17 | | Lives for gear
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See ya!!
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#18 | | Pragmatic Snob
Joined: Oct 2004 Location: The Land of Sunshine
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Originally Posted by gainreduction Buckle up, it never ends. |
true, but i'm here to testify that it can be tamed way the fµck down, to the point where anytime a little gear envy pops up the automatic reaction is "i have everything i need to make amazing recordings."
that's a damn good place to be, mentally and gearwise.
when i do daydream these days, it's usually about instruments.
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#19 | | Lives for gear
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replace everything with chandler germanium gear... then never look back.
oh crap, they dont make fx.. . better get one of those demeter reverbs then 
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#20 | | Lives for gear
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And when you've replaced all your gear with proper expensive kit you'll probably find that it didn't actually make *that* much of a difference and that now that you know what you're listening out for you could in reality have gotten VERY far with the stuff you had.
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