A Logic vs. PTHD quandry

[tunesmith]

Amusing...

I just read a mildly similar post just below my own. Except that cat has 165k to spend!!!

Lord. At 165k it seems this question becomes moot. If I had that sort of scratch I start looking at used consoles.

So... still post on mine!! I need help.

Tunes

[Jens]

I´d say ProTools is the bomb when it comes to mixing. Logic for programming/editing. Occasionally we track vocals in PT, just becuse vocalign works much better than in Logic.
When done arranging in Logic just hit the freeze button and all your softsynths/audiotracks will be avalible as aif files for import in protools.

Get the G5, Logic Platinum, EXS24, perhaps a UAD-1 or TC powercore firewire.
That way you´ll have access to the Oxford EQ. I had the UAD ´til my partner bought a mix+4 and I really liked it. Great bang for the buck.

Good luck with the upgrade.
Jens

[DanV]

I'm not sure, I would lean towards the Logic option.
But I myself am more accustomed to Logic, and also can't stand how overpriced tdm plugs are.

Also, eMagic and Apple are like one and the same now, so that means really great stability and support.

Whatever you do

Look into getting an Eventide Orville.
I think these are the best FX investment any studio can make.

[par]

Originally posted by tunesmith
PT gets me into the industry standard format, which is a plus.

Do you mean as software/hardware or both? As far as I can see Logic on PT hardware is the standard (for popproduction at least).

[tunesmith]

As for the Orville (or perhaps a 7500) that's one of the reasons I am still leaning towards the Logic route. I am still choking over the 7k difference in price and what that can mean in terms of outboard gear.

Tunes

[STILL]

For me this is easy, but then I don't need to put all kinda DSP on my inputs. I just use Logic /G4/Lucid etc and mic a good source with good mics etc.....IOW I use it like a tape deck. When I track vocals I just monitor the source through the board without listening to the playthrough from Logic to avoid the chorusing thing, and I'm making records.

Have you considered throwing a Radar into your equations? That might be a great way to get some of all of it....dunno how you work...

WB

[hrn]

Handling audio files are outstanding in Pro Tools, no comparison to it I think. But the work is done in Logic, Nuendo or whatever if you learn it to fulfillness.

I work in Logic myself and I would really like to see audio handling with the I-bar in the enviroment window like in pro Tools, but I get the work done smoothly anyway.

If I were you, I think I'd put my money on outboards, mics and non-Avid converters like Mytek or Agogee instead. The computer power will break limits never seen before next year...and the year after...and..

Hans,
www.hagen.nu

[tunesmith]

I have been going back and forth all day.

Thanks for the continued input. I think as cool and as stable as Radar is, it's not going to work for me.

Anyone know how long Digi is running the promotion with all the plugs? I am planning on making this purchase before the end of the year, but I don't want to lose the option of getting all those goodies.

Tunes.

[Bob Olhsson]

Originally posted by danv1983
...
Also, eMagic and Apple are like one and the same now, so that means really great stability and support.

You obviously haven't been around Apple much...

[xqtion]

go with Logic n if u really miss Protools, then just add Digi002R

[smoothmoniker]

you know my thoughts

Having been forced to do programming work at Mere's place on PT, I was itching to get back to LOGIC. MIDI is still king when it comes to programming work, and the flexibility of LOGIC makes it the MIDI platform of choice. With the UAD, I don't know how much processing power you're really losing by going native.

Also, it makes the transition from your joint to my joint easier. Then it's easy print to Doug's for super hip mix-matic

-sm

[5down1up]

i have both programs ... i am not an update maniac ... so my versions of both programs are kinda old but i know and have seen all the new versions .

protools looks more simple ( good for the eyes ) and provides the best audio editing ive ever seen on a computer .
if you are a logic wizard you will hate it and you will hate logic if you are a protools wizard . i know both programs ~ the same , to keep it short , PT is the way to go .
i wasnt really sure about using PT only in fact of i was used to the logic midi environment . ok , PT has no score option ( well its not bad if you use a piece of paper again ) . now after a while , PTs midi is working just great .

its all about what you are used to and if you have to invest your time in learning a program you cant go wrong learning PT .

good luck

[tunesmith]

SM...

I knew you would have something to say. I am not giving up Logic whichever way I go. I am just trying to build myself the best possible bang for my buck system.

I keep thinking that if I go to a PT system, chances are that I'll still want to program in Logic. So then, I've spent 13k on a program that sits dormant half the time.

Of course, it would be hip to have the TDM plugs (Virus ) in Logic.

Of course it would also be nice to have an Orville. And a pony.

I guess I just didn't want to miss my chance to go to PT, since who knows the next time I'll be able to schnooker my beautiful bride into the idea that spending 25 large on gear is a good idea.

But the difference $$wise gives me great pause.

Tunes

P.S. Has that song gone triple platinum yet?

[Krubbadoo]

I would definitely go the ProTools HD Accel route.
Stability, guaranteed track and plug count and client appeal are really important when operating a professional studio.
I used to be on PT Mix Plus, then switched on Massive PC with Nuendo (which has been nothing but a PITA), then I'm back on PT HD which in my opinion is just way cooler and efficient. I use some outboard FX as I think they do sound better, but the TDM plugs are getting better nowadays. Good luck.
Krubb

[thethrillfactor]

Originally posted by tunesmith
SM...

I knew you would have something to say. I am not giving up Logic whichever way I go. I am just trying to build myself the best possible bang for my buck system.

I keep thinking that if I go to a PT system, chances are that I'll still want to program in Logic. So then, I've spent 13k on a program that sits dormant half the time.

Why can't you run both a the same time?

I've done this for a while and it works fine.

[tunesmith]

Thrill -

You're running Logic and PT at the same time?

What purpose does that serve? Are they syncable or something?

Thanks.

Tunes.

[smoothmoniker]

Originally posted by tunesmith
Thrill -

You're running Logic and PT at the same time?

What purpose does that serve? Are they syncable or something?

Thanks.

Tunes.

yes they are, just barely

Logic functions as the MIDI half, can control the PT hardware for output, or with the bridge software, can drop the audion instrument tracks straight to PT.

In theory it works well. I've set it up a few times at client's houses, and it invariably causes more headaches than it alleviates. It's reaching the point of diminishing returns on the complication/flexibility scale.

-sm

[thethrillfactor]

Originally posted by tunesmith
Thrill -

You're running Logic and PT at the same time?

What purpose does that serve? Are they syncable or something?

Thanks.

Tunes.

Yeah it works great.

Do your complicated midi things in Logic and do the vocals/instruments in PT.

You get the best of both worlds.

I have another card beside Digi's in Logic for the VST soft synths.

[atticus]

I have used most all of the DAW's out there and both PT and Logic are really good. I would recommend Logic 6, simply because the Freeze function gives you tons of playback headroom and because it has pretty much all of the features you'd need in a DAW. The other good thing about it that you can run Logic on either Native or TDM/Digi hardware, but you can't do it the other way around. I have been on Logic for about a year and I plan on sticking with it for the forseeable future.

[tunesmith]

I really appreciate all the feedback.

I am still curious as to someone who is a Logic user on a G5. Is there a marked increase in power? Is it comparable with PT?

As I said before the $$$ difference between a new G5 and a Rosetta 800 combo (I already have Logic Plat) and a PT HD3 system with the 192 is about 7k.

Is it worth the difference?

Tunes.

[par]

Are you planning to mix with plugs, or do you have a lot of outboard gear?

[tunesmith]

So... is there anyone out there using a G5 and Logic? Specifically the DP model...

Thanks.

Tunes.

[Antiphase]

If I were you, i would go with a DP G5, Logic 6, a couple UAD-1's, and save the rest of the money to get mics, compressors, pre's, more mics, and converters. Don't get stuck in the "Digidesign Matrix" like most of us have!

This would equate to the power of a HD system minus the B.S. of digi. Ya Pro Tools is a great program, but for the money invested, it's easy to get over.

[xl-sander]

ive been using pt mixplus with a logic sequencer for about 4 years now, all i can say, logic is way better for any composing issues(e.g. midi) and on the audio side, since logic 5 i cant figure out why pt should be better or equal!! to me pt software is a half finished software! though its much better than alot of others, but i enjoy logic very much! i do uset the bridge so i have at least 128 tracks in my mix system! usually i use the 64 dtdm tracks for vox these are sent to one bus within the tdm mixer and voila, i can use tdm plugs on dtdm tracks...

i hope the mackie dbx will be good, im thinking to get one when its out! its a superior controller for every sequencer(like logic control e.g.) with alot more of functions (like the uad card inside)

if you can afford, get a pt hd3 accel,logic platinum, a mackie dbx, a few 1272 (even clones are very fine, e.g. dan alexander) and a good a/d and youll have a wonderful rig....
and if u still have cash get yourself a L2 hardware and a nice analog stereo eq and comp!

on the fx side, i always thought the eventide,though its great what it does, much much too expensive!!! what about the hd plug?? how is it? never tried it...good luck anyway

just my 2 cents

[tunesmith]

Well... my budget's 25k. If any of you pro audio guys can build the rig he described for 25k, I would love to have a chat.

You can email me at beachfrontcondo@arizona.com

I'll be waiting with baited breath.



Seriously though...

I think I am going to stick with Logic and get a G5 and save myself some dough for the things that have stood the test of time:

SOFTSYNTHS!!!










Just kidding.

I really wand some high quality outboard pieces to sweeten... I want to drop my cash there.

Thanks for all of your insightful thoughts.

Tunes.

[5down1up]

i would pick ( and buy the most stuff used ) :


g4 , digidesign d24 , 2*mix farm , 888/24

benchmark dac-1 , cranesong hedd

2 good mic pres & d.i. & some awesome monitor speakers

a good chair ... and thats it ~ 12K ?

i would invest in some sound modules , samplers & a masterkeyboard and mics .

you can easily expand any time , but i would take the time to figure what i really need instead of buying all at once .
you will have more fun if you can go to a store in 6 months and take something new with you cause you have some cash left .

if logic or protools , doesnt matter , all will work on a system like that .

buying the newest technology means losing the most value of money.
if you already have the gigs to bring the money back , go and buy whatever you like . if you dont , watch out !!!

[filterdude]

any specific reason why you would still buy sound modules and samplers nowadays? unless you can get your hands on analog stuff...

i'm very happy using a PT mix+++++ system with a logic audio front end and a nice collection of softsynths. so much good stuff out there. all the logic instruments, spectrasonics, native instrument, virus tdm, mcdsp synth one. i love 'm all. most of our sound modules are collecting dust nowadays...

the cool thing is that softsynths are actually "synths". where as roland, yamaha&korg have been re-using all of their meat and potato samples for about a decade now...

bert

[5down1up]

yep you might be right filterdude

but i am getting bored real quick if i have to stare into a monitor all day long . i like to use my ears and my hands when doing music , my eyes cant stand a 12 hour day staring into a monitor .


all the drum sounds ( sampled or software ) arent cutting it ?
dont know why . i like the originals , like the old rolands .
i am fine with my akai 6000 and its sounds for pads , strings , etc .
i like that the modules are sounding all kinda different .

i bought the microkorg ...

i like to plug any module in a d.i box - stomp fx or comp ...

i guess thats just how you are used to it .

when i am asked , i would rather carry a real rhodes on stage before i think about a powerbook .

best thing , you have both , bad thing , you are broke

[filterdude]

man, i love the originals!!! it's a pity they don't make them anymore...wouldn't it be great to get a 2004 version of a roland jupiter8?

anybody tried the new moog voyager?

bert