Music man Stingray bass gtr + SansAmp bass pedal..

20th September 2002, 02:03 AM

Anyone dig this combo?

We rented the bass & the bass player on this session bought the pedal... V cool, one of the only times I've ever recorded bass with no compression

I find with Stingrays I have to roll almost ALL the bass off the instrument, and tone down the highs...

String age was real critical, we made out fine with - a fairly new set on one song, then put new ones on for the last two, but carefully picked which one needed the new stings, which one would be good with the worn in ones..

Is the Stingray the modern rock bass axe of choice? What is these days?

We dug it.....

I dug the SansAmp perhaps more...

no compression, that slayed me.....

SansAmp - neve 1073 - fatso
Session bass combo (4 x 10's) M149 - neve 1073 - fatso
(amp got SansAmp / or just the bass - decided per song)

rollz

cymatics · 20th September 2002, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jules
Is the Stingray the modern rock bass axe of choice? What is these days?

This is my choice every time. It's a 1976 Gibson Grabber. GOD OF THUNDER!!!
Don't know if you can tell from the pic but the pickup slides back and forth to give a "bridge" sound (think Chris Squire) or a "neck" sound (think fat as hell) or anywhere in between.

I personally can't stand active pickups specifically for the hyped highs and lows you had to roll off in your session Jules. I've had more than one player in who chose my Grabber over their active pickup equipped axe after comparing sounds.

I dig the SansAmp for some things but I prefer a miked cab. Call me old-fashioned, call me a luddite, just don't call me late for dinner

- jon

Knox · 20th September 2002, 04:35 AM

To me a 4 string Stingray is the best bass to record . . . followed by a 60s P bass. I have a B15 Ampeg that I run them through . . . sounds great!

20th September 2002, 05:09 AM

B15 Ampeg - I rent one in when I need it...

& I will be renting the Singray again I think....

Gibbo looks cool though, a sliding pick up!

Wild!

3rdpath · 20th September 2002, 06:44 AM

i think the sting ray is one of the best recording basses out there...and it sounds great live-makes the soundman's job so much easier.

i have a pair of custom rays( fretted/fretless) that sound amazing...and yes, sometimes i use my sansamp, sometimes my pod(guitar pod, not bass pod) and sometimes i run through an ampeg head.

no matter what you do-it won't sound bad.

and i agree, string age is important...i HATE the sound of new bass strings...especially on a ray because the bass already has so much high-mid articulation. gotta get em worn-in like a nice leather club chair.

and if you want that nice 70's thud(think sly and the family stone)..have the bassist play with his thumb while palm-muting the strings....that'll tone down the stingray...they really are quite flexible tone-wise.

now if i could find a nice deal on a 5 string....

Tim L · 20th September 2002, 12:04 PM

I've only had the pleasure of tracking a Stingray once but I enjoyed the sound of it. The Sansamp is my defacto bass box and gets used quite a bit in my little world.

Earlier in the year I needed a bass guitar for doing my song writing demos and decided to try some thing I've allways wanted to do... build a guitar! So I did. I ordered a Bass kit from Carvin with active/passive electronics and I'm really pleased with the sucker. I've recorded a few Carvin bass's and have allways kind of liked them so I had a pretty good idea what it was going to sound like. I've had a few players use my bass over theirs and offer to buy it from me after the session so the "kit" has become my secret bass weapon. I'll try to post a scan in the next few days... no digital cam yet.

20th September 2002, 01:35 PM

Built your own!

Wow!

studjo · 20th September 2002, 02:07 PM

I have a "Frankenstein" Sting Ray. It has a Bartolini pick up. I like it very much for Rock. It has quite a heavy low end - sometimes it is too much, then I take my Fender Preci (also heavy modified-not by myself).

Sting Ray rocks

Dave Martin · 20th September 2002, 02:49 PM

Stingrays have a distinctive sound that I like for some things (and hate for others, of course). I have been meaning to buy one for a few years, but haven't gottten around to it (there are too many other things I want).

And y'all might want to try a Lakland bass, too - essentially the same tone as a Stingray, but to me, they play a whole lot better.
http://www.lakland.com

David R. · 20th September 2002, 06:28 PM

Got a Stingray 5, love it. When recording myself, I just go into my Pendulum MDP and get the tone from my fingers. Depending on the song, I would either bring up the bass a bit or drop the treble. If someone else is playing, well, depends on how they play... (

or

)

For funk, (slapping) new strings are key.

I also have a earily G & L 2000 and a Fender P (with out frets).

Bass is my thang.

How low can you go?

Steve Smith · 20th September 2002, 08:27 PM

There is a guy in London named Dave Markee hwo I have recorded a bunch.. he has and old "P" bass which i love, but the bass I am nuts for is his Stingray, Serial # 003 ! ( he also has the neck from 001...

He had been around a while, and my God the sound that comes out of those fingers on that bass....

As a side note, Jules, the sansamp bass DI rocks!... the Bass Pod Pro is very cool as well.

Tim L · 21st September 2002, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jules
Built your own!

Wow!

It was alot of fun and the damn thing sounds really good and plays way better than I hoped considering it was my first attempt at building one.

This pic doesn't do it much justice but it really is a beautiful piece of wood and even up close you wouldn't know it's a kit.

Tung oiled Swamp Ash body with Cherry stain
Tung oiled Rock Maple neck w/Ebony fret board and jumbo frets.
Active/ Passive elctronics w/ coil split H-bucker
Strings through body and gold hardware.

21st September 2002, 04:56 AM

Looks like it has tone for days.....

Crazykiwi · 28th June 2005, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Smith

There is a guy in London named Dave Markee who I have recorded a bunch.. he has and old "P" bass which i love, but the bass I am nuts for is his Stingray, Serial # 003 ! ( he also has the neck from 001...

He had been around a while, and my God the sound that comes out of those fingers on that bass....

Sorry, I know its an old thread and I'm a newbie here, but this thread caught my eye. Were you aware that Stingray serials started from #1000?

PS; Stingray and Mesa Boogie 400+ head through a 4x12" = guaranteed organ displacement ;)

big furry · 28th June 2005, 10:08 PM

The stingray/ sans amp combo is my all time favorite for rock recording/ playing. If you are an aggressive player, the stingray allows you to dig in more responsively than most basses. The only drawback I've found is that some stingrays have a slight dead zone around the 7th fret on the A string, so you have to dig a little harder there.
the sans amp peddle is great with presence and drive set around 2 o'clock, and add bass to taste. The peddle doesn't have a direct way to shape mids, and that might be an "achillies heel"...

Once again, great combo!

chetatkinsdiet · 28th June 2005, 10:15 PM

lol...I didn't even realize this was an old thread. I was reading along when I came on that guy talking about the #001 serial number. I was all ready to scroll down and respond immediately. You beat me to it.

Just to add to the topic. If you like the Stingray, check out the Sabre. It's the two pickup version. Sort of the Jazz bass to the Stingray. I happen to like them much better.
Actually, I dig the G&L's even more. Give me an early 80s L2000E anyday.
later,
m

MarkS · 28th June 2005, 10:29 PM

i love this combination, too. i just wrote about that combination (and especially the sansamp) in a recent thread about best di for bass (and to my wondering nowone liked it :(), i still belive that the sansamp is really really good when coupled with high quality preamps. and i am glad to hear from other fellows that i am not compltly alone with this opinion :)

string ray still remains "the" bass for nearly every kind of music to me. the only thing that is better than a stingray are the top level stingrays (the ones with that beautiful finish and the more flexible eq, even more better woods).

Crazykiwi · 28th June 2005, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chetatkinsdiet

check out the Sabre. It's the two pickup version. Sort of the Jazz bass to the Stingray. I happen to like them much better.

They had issues with the magnetic field from the neck pickup on the Sabres dampening down the string vibrations - at least according to Sterling Ball. However, this year Ernie Ball started releasing stingrays with two humbuckers for the first time ever. They sound about as close to the original sabre as the modernised EB stingray sounds compared to the original.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chetatkinsdiet

Actually, I dig the G&L's even more. Give me an early 80s L2000E anyday.

Very cool basses also - I've been curious to try the L1505 for a while but no opportunity yet. Also tried an Asat which was definitely a power players instrument :)

Exsanguis · 29th June 2005, 02:22 AM

I like the Stingrays and everything, but I'm really all about the Peavey T-40. Cheap, fun to play, and sounds cool. And it makes me think I'm in Journey

.

PlanB · 29th June 2005, 02:57 AM

I got several 4 and 5 string Stingrays and some Sabres.
They are my go-to basses.

The recording chain I like best (after years of trying):

-Stingray into SWR Grand Prix tube pre into Mic Pre (in my case an avalon M5) into 192 i/o into PT HD

Sometimes I patch a distressor or 1176 in between, but not too often. I prefer recording sans compressor.

One thing to watch out for is the 3 band eq. I always record flat, i.e. all pots in center position.

Cheers
Arthur

SoundChances · 29th June 2005, 03:04 AM

Stingrays rule my world, here are the 2 main basses I record with, wiht the Ray getting about 85% of the action!

Waylon · 29th June 2005, 04:47 AM

Sorry for the misguided post... .It is the third production neck. ( he apparently has the first as well, but I havent seen that.

blueman · 29th June 2005, 08:33 AM

... and what about the Stingray 5 strings?

Does it sound as good as the 4 strings one or it's a different tone?

NathanEldred · 29th June 2005, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueman

... and what about the Stingray 5 strings?

Does it sound as good as the 4 strings one or it's a different tone?

I'm recording my first 5 Stingray all this week...recorded lots of 4's though, same tone from what I can tell. Love the bottom end on those things. They take EQ like a ribbon mic (weird analogy, but it makes sense to me).

De chromium cob · 29th June 2005, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoundChances

Stingrays rule my world, here are the 2 main basses I record with, wiht the Ray getting about 85% of the action!

I have that same model 20th anniversary Stingray! Great, isn't it? Mine has a slightly different look though....

SoundChances · 29th June 2005, 01:32 PM

Oh, you got a Quilt top

I'd like to find one of the few fretless they made of those as well, but those are super hard to find....

Switchcraft · 29th June 2005, 03:34 PM

how do you guys like these bases for recording non Rock music? Jazz soul R+B hip hop? Should I go to one of these or look for a P or J bass?

slaves666 · 31st July 2006, 05:46 AM

I use a Stingray 5 through a sansamp PSA-1 almost every session. Killer.

plaiming · 13th September 2006, 08:31 PM

would any of you guys be willing to post your sansamp DI settings (especially for live use) i have a MM Stringray and sansamp combo. wouldbe interested to hear if you use the amp emulation or just use the sansamp in DI only mode.

Revelation · 13th September 2006, 08:42 PM

I like Stingray's but love G&L 2000 and 2500 basses. They are the last bass creation's Leo Fender came up with and they are built in the old Fender factory. He used the latest technology and came up with basses that give you the P, Jazz and modern bass sound all in one bass guitar.

Some updates compared to the Fender and Stringray include http://www.glguitars.com/frameset.htm

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Knox Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 712	To me a 4 string Stingray is the best bass to record . . . followed by a 60s P bass. I have a B15 Ampeg that I run them through . . . sounds great! __________________ Knox Arcadia Production and Recording Studio http://www.arcadiarocks.com 770.448.9992 photography site . . http://avatarphotoart.com my book on alleycats . . http://www.urbantailsbook.com

20th September 2002, 06:44 AM	#5
3rdpath Gear nut Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: island of misfit toys Posts: 97	yessireee i think the sting ray is one of the best recording basses out there...and it sounds great live-makes the soundman's job so much easier. i have a pair of custom rays( fretted/fretless) that sound amazing...and yes, sometimes i use my sansamp, sometimes my pod(guitar pod, not bass pod) and sometimes i run through an ampeg head. no matter what you do-it won't sound bad. and i agree, string age is important...i HATE the sound of new bass strings...especially on a ray because the bass already has so much high-mid articulation. gotta get em worn-in like a nice leather club chair. and if you want that nice 70's thud(think sly and the family stone)..have the bassist play with his thumb while palm-muting the strings....that'll tone down the stingray...they really are quite flexible tone-wise. now if i could find a nice deal on a 5 string....

20th September 2002, 12:04 PM	#6
Tim L Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Lawn Guy Land Posts: 1,350	I've only had the pleasure of tracking a Stingray once but I enjoyed the sound of it. The Sansamp is my defacto bass box and gets used quite a bit in my little world. Earlier in the year I needed a bass guitar for doing my song writing demos and decided to try some thing I've allways wanted to do... build a guitar! So I did. I ordered a Bass kit from Carvin with active/passive electronics and I'm really pleased with the sucker. I've recorded a few Carvin bass's and have allways kind of liked them so I had a pretty good idea what it was going to sound like. I've had a few players use my bass over theirs and offer to buy it from me after the session so the "kit" has become my secret bass weapon. I'll try to post a scan in the next few days... no digital cam yet. __________________ "Play ƒuckin' Loud!!!..." - Bob Dylan, May 17 1966

20th September 2002, 02:49 PM	#9
Dave Martin Moderator emeritus Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 3,169	Stingrays have a distinctive sound that I like for some things (and hate for others, of course). I have been meaning to buy one for a few years, but haven't gottten around to it (there are too many other things I want). And y'all might want to try a Lakland bass, too - essentially the same tone as a Stingray, but to me, they play a whole lot better. http://www.lakland.com __________________ Dave Martin Java Jive Studio www.javajivestudio.com Cuppa Joe Records www.cuppajoerecords.com Nashville, TN

20th September 2002, 02:03 AM	#1
Jules Guest Posts: n/a	Musicman Stingray bass gtr + SansAmp bass pedal.. Anyone dig this combo? We rented the bass & the bass player on this session bought the pedal... V cool, one of the only times I've ever recorded bass with no compression I find with Stingrays I have to roll almost ALL the bass off the instrument, and tone down the highs... String age was real critical, we made out fine with - a fairly new set on one song, then put new ones on for the last two, but carefully picked which one needed the new stings, which one would be good with the worn in ones.. Is the Stingray the modern rock bass axe of choice? What is these days? We dug it..... I dug the SansAmp perhaps more... no compression, that slayed me..... SansAmp - neve 1073 - fatso Session bass combo (4 x 10's) M149 - neve 1073 - fatso (amp got SansAmp / or just the bass - decided per song) rollz

20th September 2002, 05:09 AM	#4
Jules Guest Posts: n/a	B15 Ampeg - I rent one in when I need it... & I will be renting the Singray again I think.... Gibbo looks cool though, a sliding pick up! Wild!

20th September 2002, 01:35 PM	#7
Jules Guest Posts: n/a	Built your own! Wow!

20th September 2002, 02:07 PM	#8
studjo Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 1,889	I have a "Frankenstein" Sting Ray. It has a Bartolini pick up. I like it very much for Rock. It has quite a heavy low end - sometimes it is too much, then I take my Fender Preci (also heavy modified-not by myself). Sting Ray rocks

20th September 2002, 06:28 PM	#10
David R. Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Left Coast, and don't call it 'Frisco Posts: 1,590	Got a Stingray 5, love it. When recording myself, I just go into my Pendulum MDP and get the tone from my fingers. Depending on the song, I would either bring up the bass a bit or drop the treble. If someone else is playing, well, depends on how they play... ( or ) For funk, (slapping) new strings are key. I also have a earily G & L 2000 and a Fender P (with out frets). Bass is my thang. How low can you go? __________________ -David R. "An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way." - C. Bukowski

20th September 2002, 08:27 PM	#11
Steve Smith Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,394	There is a guy in London named Dave Markee hwo I have recorded a bunch.. he has and old "P" bass which i love, but the bass I am nuts for is his Stingray, Serial # 003 ! ( he also has the neck from 001... He had been around a while, and my God the sound that comes out of those fingers on that bass.... As a side note, Jules, the sansamp bass DI rocks!... the Bass Pod Pro is very cool as well. __________________ Steve Smith - Unorignal, yet commonplace.

21st September 2002, 04:56 AM	#13
Jules Guest Posts: n/a	Looks like it has tone for days.....

28th June 2005, 10:08 PM	#15
big furry Gear interested Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 15	The stingray/ sans amp combo is my all time favorite for rock recording/ playing. If you are an aggressive player, the stingray allows you to dig in more responsively than most basses. The only drawback I've found is that some stingrays have a slight dead zone around the 7th fret on the A string, so you have to dig a little harder there. the sans amp peddle is great with presence and drive set around 2 o'clock, and add bass to taste. The peddle doesn't have a direct way to shape mids, and that might be an "achillies heel"... Once again, great combo!

28th June 2005, 10:15 PM	#16
chetatkinsdiet Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,473	lol...I didn't even realize this was an old thread. I was reading along when I came on that guy talking about the #001 serial number. I was all ready to scroll down and respond immediately. You beat me to it. Just to add to the topic. If you like the Stingray, check out the Sabre. It's the two pickup version. Sort of the Jazz bass to the Stingray. I happen to like them much better. Actually, I dig the G&L's even more. Give me an early 80s L2000E anyday. later, m

28th June 2005, 10:29 PM	#17
MarkS Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 159	i love this combination, too. i just wrote about that combination (and especially the sansamp) in a recent thread about best di for bass (and to my wondering nowone liked it :(), i still belive that the sansamp is really really good when coupled with high quality preamps. and i am glad to hear from other fellows that i am not compltly alone with this opinion :) string ray still remains "the" bass for nearly every kind of music to me. the only thing that is better than a stingray are the top level stingrays (the ones with that beautiful finish and the more flexible eq, even more better woods). __________________ ...and , yes, I am sorry for my bad English. Please be gentle ...

29th June 2005, 02:22 AM	#19
Exsanguis Gear maniac Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 202	I like the Stingrays and everything, but I'm really all about the Peavey T-40. Cheap, fun to play, and sounds cool. And it makes me think I'm in Journey .

29th June 2005, 02:57 AM	#20
PlanB Gear nut Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 115	I got several 4 and 5 string Stingrays and some Sabres. They are my go-to basses. The recording chain I like best (after years of trying): -Stingray into SWR Grand Prix tube pre into Mic Pre (in my case an avalon M5) into 192 i/o into PT HD Sometimes I patch a distressor or 1176 in between, but not too often. I prefer recording sans compressor. One thing to watch out for is the 3 band eq. I always record flat, i.e. all pots in center position. Cheers Arthur __________________ ------------ BlakeStreet Media Group your prime source for great video tutorials (insert clever one-liner here)

29th June 2005, 03:04 AM	#21
SoundChances Gear nut Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: DFW Posts: 97	Stingrays rule my world, here are the 2 main basses I record with, wiht the Ray getting about 85% of the action!

29th June 2005, 04:47 AM	#22
Waylon Gear addict Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 403	Sorry for the misguided post... .It is the third production neck. ( he apparently has the first as well, but I havent seen that. __________________ But, whatever you do, don't go with cheap XFMRs, you may have to use them someday. - Remoteness

29th June 2005, 08:33 AM	#23
blueman Gear maniac Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 172	... and what about the Stingray 5 strings? Does it sound as good as the 4 strings one or it's a different tone?

29th June 2005, 01:32 PM	#26
SoundChances Gear nut Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: DFW Posts: 97	Oh, you got a Quilt top I'd like to find one of the few fretless they made of those as well, but those are super hard to find....

29th June 2005, 03:34 PM	#27
Switchcraft Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Philly Posts: 967	how do you guys like these bases for recording non Rock music? Jazz soul R+B hip hop? Should I go to one of these or look for a P or J bass? __________________ my hands work mad good http://www.ONE-76.com

31st July 2006, 05:46 AM	#28
slaves666 Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,432	I use a Stingray 5 through a sansamp PSA-1 almost every session. Killer.

13th September 2006, 08:31 PM	#29
plaiming Gear interested Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2	would any of you guys be willing to post your sansamp DI settings (especially for live use) i have a MM Stringray and sansamp combo. wouldbe interested to hear if you use the amp emulation or just use the sansamp in DI only mode.

13th September 2006, 08:42 PM	#30
Revelation Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York Posts: 1,131	I like Stingray's but love G&L 2000 and 2500 basses. They are the last bass creation's Leo Fender came up with and they are built in the old Fender factory. He used the latest technology and came up with basses that give you the P, Jazz and modern bass sound all in one bass guitar. Some updates compared to the Fender and Stringray include http://www.glguitars.com/frameset.htm

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