Budget Mics for recording live drums

[impact studios]

Hi All

I'm in need of some help choosing mics for recording a drum kit in the studio.
However im on a low budget,and have searched around the web, and this forum for ideas.
Heres what i have come up with as a very basic budget setup.

AKG D112 (For Kik)
Shure SM 57 (For Snare)
2 x AKG 1000S Condensers (For overheads)

I need ideas for Mics for toms,and Hi Hat.

Of course any other ideas for the whole setup would also be welcome.

Please bear in mind that i'm on a budget

Thanks for your help in advance

Paul

[TML]

I'd get a 421 or ATM 25 for kik. I hate the boxy cardboard 112 sound...just me I guess.....
TIm

[Tim L]

Originally posted by impact studios
I need ideas for Mics for toms,and Hi Hat.

Try the Sennhieser e604's for tom's (dump the clips and put em on stands if you can). You may not even need a mic on hat but if you gotta have one try an Oktava MC012.

[fatty]

toms - ev co4
snare - sm57
kick - atm25
o\h -2 studio projects's b1's.
hi-hat - be*****er ecm 8000. (if you need a hat mic)

this is a cheap set up that will do the job very well for the money.

[Jay Kahrs]

You don't need a hat mic. Save the cash or get something for the room instead. In the last 5 years I've put up a hat mic three times. Once at gunpoint and twice because the hats were so far off axis from my overheads that I needed it. I should point out that it was the same drummer both times and the gun was an isolated incident.

Still didn't need it in the actual mix though.


Don't think about the C1000's for anything they're pretty crappy mics. Get the Oktava MC012's or Shure Beta Green 4.0 or whatever they're called now, ATM33's are also great for the same kinda cost. I'm not a huge D112 fan but they work. SM57's on the snare and toms and you should be good to go. I could talk about other choices for hours, ATM23's for sn and toms, Audix D series etc. None of them suck, it's just slightly different from one to another and the drum and drummer are still the biggest variable in the sound.

[maxim]

this is what i use:

beyer m69 on the kick
shure sm57 on the snare
2x oktava 219 on the o/h (one looking at the floor tom, the other at the hat)

works for me

[impact studios]

Hi

Thanks for the replies

ATM 25...?
Is that Audio Technica....?

Paul

[Jay Kahrs]

ATM = Audiotechnica.

[impact studios]

Hi

Cheers
Funny enough i have an old Beyer M69(TG) in my gig bag.

So i will give that a try on the kik,as recommended

Defo.getting a Shure SM57 for the snare.

So could i get away with just a couple of o/heads.....?


Paul

[7rojo7]

Put up a hat mic if it's reggae or some other kind of carribean music as this is where most of the rhythm is for this music. It's more important how you place it than what type of mic it is, not counting ignorant extremes. Late 80's soul/pop is full of double hat O/Ds over drum machines, it's all about who's playing them

[maxim]

paul wrote:

"Funny enough i have an old Beyer M69(TG) in my gig bag.

So i will give that a try on the kik,as recommended"

it is usually positioned about half a metre away from the outer skin (depending on the drum and the room, of course)

good thing about it is its high rejection

also sounds great on horns and my voice sometimes

[DirkB]

Overheads: AMG451B
Kick: 112/421/beta52
snare: sm57
toms: 504's

Kurweil Rumour for stereo room/ambience/plate

Forget the hi-hat/front of kick/room mics unless you're some drumrecording milage behind you.

Greetings,
Dirk

[drmad69]

I am recently re-thinking my e604's.
Either they have been to beat up by the live shows or
they just aren't giving me what I want.

For live shows, they are a godsend, just too easy to use.

I'm just not getting the air out of them, I am going to do a trail
and recheck myself. They are very easy to place tooo close.

[Tim L]

Originally posted by drmad69
I am recently re-thinking my e604's... ...They are very easy to place tooo close.

Try putting them on stands instead of the clips.