Old 5th September 2006
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Strange problem!!

Hi mates!

Today I was tracking bass....with a very bad player!!
After 4 hours of bad unhealty playing the producer decides to let him go.

He asked from me to replace some bass parts with samples(Scarbee )
I was listening the bass part and suddenly on a long note I noticed that the decay was very quick!!
I soloed the bass and it was fine!Played back with the rest tracks...the same problem!
Then I played the bass track and a rythm acoustic guitar part!
The problem was still there!
Then I just insert a phase reverse plug in on the guitar track.....and the bass guitar was fine!!!!!
The decay was normal again!!!!!!

what is going on guys??
Old 5th September 2006
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I thought this was about the forum acting strange.
Old 6th September 2006
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Listen malaka
Thank you man. I love you too......

I thought that phase issues occure on stereo or multimiking techniques

Is there something I should know, please?

Thank you
Old 6th September 2006
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Just joking with the Greek swearing, no offense - I hardly get to use the language anymore.

Anyhow, yeah man if pin 2 and 3 are reversed on your XLR jacks compared to other gear in the studio, it'll be out of phase.
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I thought that phase issues occure on stereo or multimiking techniques

Is there something I should know, please?

Thank you
You must have accidentally had the two tracks sharing a common element like a frequency or something. It's like a one in a million shot, but I suppose you could be "lucky" enough to have something like this happen. Simply having a cable out of phase isn't gonna' mean sh!t unless you are recording the SAME source to multiple tracks. Is it possible something could've been multed to a couple of different places on the console and you just didn't realize it? If the phase were inverted in one of those places, that could cause some weirdness dependent on it's level.

I wonder if you recorded through the same signal chain (pre, comp, eq, etc.)? A great trick for seperating background vocals and double vocals from a lead vocal is to use a completely different mic and pre than you used to cut the lead. If you use the same chain, it tends to cause "phasey" things to happen when they are all stacked up. Even if you have different singers on each track. Each chain has it's own frequency response and when it is stacked across a number of tracks, the buildup can cause certain frequencies to get overbearing due to a slight phase relationship where certain frequencies will double or cancel just as they do in an acoustical situation.

Good luck getting to the bottom of it all!
-Aaron
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Simply having a cable out of phase isn't gonna' mean sh!t unless you are recording the SAME source to multiple tracks
Oops, was in lala land thinking about the PITA I had the day before
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I wonder if you recorded through the same signal chain (pre, comp, eq, etc.)? -Aaron

Yes you are right,I used the same preamp and compressor but different mics!
all signal are recorded directly to disk...no console in the middle.

Also is there a way to check signals in a mix for this kind of drouble?

Thank you
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Also is there a way to check signals in a mix for this kind of drouble?

Thank you
Yea just solo the 2 tracks to mono then flip the polarity on one





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Yea just solo the 2 tracks to mono then flip the polarity on one.
Thank you,that was what I did!

...but if you have a mix with many tracks how do you know when you have this kind of trouble?
I heard this problem...because I was lucky and noticed it when i was trying to hear how the bass sounded with the guitar together..

Pure luck
Old 7th September 2006
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Any ideas please?
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Any ideas please?
What I was trying to say in my post was, what you experienced is a freak occurance! I don't think you ever have to worry about it happening again in your lifetime. If it does happen again, you might want to give us a breakdown of your setup and methodology so we can help you figure out what's going on.

Take care,
-Aaron
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