Gibson fake!!

Acoustic Cloud · 2nd September 2006, 08:59 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Gibson-Cust...QQcmdZViewItem

My brother is hot after a discoed STUPID blue metal flake Gibson Firebird. (Why, I dont know, I hate those.)

Hes looking at this one, and Im telling him its a sham, he keeps saying "what if its real".over and over....

Help me stop him?....or not?!?!

theblue1 · 2nd September 2006, 09:24 PM

Well... at least it's not a "Gibsun."

De chromium cob · 2nd September 2006, 09:29 PM

Why do you think its a fake? The pictures clearly show the serial number, so call or email Gibson and find out....

max cooper · 2nd September 2006, 10:26 PM

I've seen all kinds of stuff come out of the Custom Shop... this one's not a stretch to me.

I had a Celebrity Series Firebird and I loved it.

but I wouldn't buy a guitar from overseas no matter who the seller is. The sound of an electric guitar depends so much on the wood that it doesn't make sense to me to pay money for an instrument without hearing it.

Acoustic Cloud · 2nd September 2006, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by De chromium cob

Why do you think its a fake? The pictures clearly show the serial number, so call or email Gibson and find out....

Thanks Chrome Cob, thats what he is doing already. Im just trying to stop him from doing the deed before he hears from Gibson.!

musical5 · 3rd September 2006, 12:46 AM

A real good friend of mine won one of those, with no reserve, from Singapore. It was a fake. The auction ended with him winning it for $30.00 plus $300.00 for shipping. He hoped it was real....but nope.

MadGuitrst · 3rd September 2006, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by musical5

A real good friend of mine won one of those, with no reserve, from Singapore. It was a fake. The auction ended with him winning it for $30.00 plus $300.00 for shipping. He hoped it was real....but nope.

He doesn't have the same MO as the guy who was selling Gibsons with the starting price of like $1.88 + $300 shipping, which were obviously fakes.

Still, I agree, I would never in a trillion years buy a guitar like that from overseas. Period.

For that matter, I wouldn't buy a guitar like that used online. if I wanted it that badly, and I was going to spend that much money, I'd take a flight out to see, feel, and hear it.

Why not buy one of the current Firebirds?

Hey, good news, I just looked and they are currently in production.
Have a gander:

$1,959.99 total. (ckick on view more photos to see the blue one that tickles his fancy).
It seems they aren't so rare afterall.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/produ...tar?sku=517337

Here's the one big bro wants on EvilBay for $3,315.00

It would appear to me that your bro just saved $1,355.01 (before bargaining with the sales clerk at MF) and can at least return it if it doesn't make him do cartwheels.

Tell your brother I said, "you're welcome" and that I accept tips in my PayPal Tip Jar :D

Acoustic Cloud · 3rd September 2006, 03:14 PM

THANKS MAD!!
well, he told me the guys at GC said the blue wasnt made anymore.....figures. Good ol' rocket scientists those guys are....

I sent him the link.

max cooper · 3rd September 2006, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acoustic Cloud

the guys at GC said...

They're usually the classic example of "if you don't know, make it up"

99.9% of GC customers don't know better anyway.

dbbubba · 3rd September 2006, 04:27 PM

First... that color is called Pelham Blue and was quite prevelent iun the early '60s.

Second... I wouldn't belive ANYTHING that came out of the mouth of anyone at GC!

I derive GREAT pleasure when we need to stop in at GC and buy something real quick.
My friend goes to the "Pro Audio" area (yeah, right!) and I pick up a guitar and plug it in.
Keep in mind that I have played guitar for AT LEAST forty years.... I know my way around the thing quite well.
The response I get from the salesmen that happen to venture near is always funny!

Good example: I was recently in the Hollywood GC and you would think that they knew their stuff. I had just been at the Dallas Guitar Show the weekend before and played a Fender "thin fin" Strat that I loved. Thin Fins are nitocelulose paint finished models that are fairly close to the '50s paint formulas... they sound VERY good. I didn't buy it because I didn't know that my friend had sold another guitar at his booth for me. A week later I had cash in my bank account that would allow me to buy the Fender.

NO ONE and let me repeat that NO ONE at the Hollywood GC had even heard of a Fender Thin Fin. Not even the guys in the "vintage" department that sell decent, vintage guitars at TREMENDOUSLY inflated prices knewe what a Thin Fin was.

In fact, I got the impression that I was percieved as a wannabe yokel because I'm fifty years old, don't look like a guitar player and have a southern accent. I felt like I was treated lke a tourist who wandered in off of the street! I have played guitar almost my entire life and owned "vinatge" guitars before these Hollywood "experts" were out of pre-school! If I could sell my collection of guitars at the prices they ask I'd be a happy and richer man!

Most GC people are making minimum wage at best and know VERY little about what they sell. I LOVE to actually venture into the "pro audio" area and inquire about the "vintage" mics. I own mics older than these kid's parents, but they can tell me stuff that I never knew.... and it's complete bullshit and mostly incorrect stuff that they have assumed or misinterpreted. It is more annoying than entertaining!

DON'T BUY ANYTHING OFF OF eBay THAT YOU CAN'T VERIFY TO BE 100% AS REPRESENTED BY THE SELLER!

I recently won a bid on a MCI JH24 24 track deck that was easy to pick up and appeared to be of a vintage that I want. Because the person that possesed the deck wasn't going to be back in town until after I had to travel, I wouldn't be able to personally check out the deck. Everything appeared fine and my emails and phone calls were answered promptly. Everything appeared "OK", but I still was not going to part with $2K before inspecting the deck! I've seen too many people burned by what appeared to be "good deals" on eBay. In fact, I'd say that 75% of what I have seen people buy is mis-represented in one degree or the other.

Danny Brown

MadGuitrst · 3rd September 2006, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbbubba

I've seen too many people burned by what appeared to be "good deals" on eBay. In fact, I'd say that 75% of what I have seen people buy is mis-represented in one degree or the other.

Danny Brown

Wow, I don't know if I personally would say that......but......you have a point in "one some degree or the other".

I have had about 100 transactions on Ebay. There have been a few that didn't work out so well initially but ended up fine. I had about 4 bad deals and I guess I was just lucky that either the buyer was responsible (refund), PayPal saved the day (happened 2x), or the manufacturer was great and repaired a broken item (1 time.....and I was very lucky).

In all, I won't buy on Ebay unless PayPal or my credit card company is involved and can help resolve an issue. Ebay is useless in helping with conflicts but since PayPal or your credit card co. can get to the money there can be help.....but no guarantee.

I would't buy a guitar on ebay.
Something to think about: I once bought a mic and one of the diaphragms was not working.

Selling can be a hassle too.

It seems to me Craigslist and face to face cash transactions is where it's at now.
No fees and a chance to see/touch/try before you buy.
I will buy between reputable forums members as long as PP or CC is involved.

MadGuitrst · 3rd September 2006, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acoustic Cloud

THANKS MAD!!
well, he told me the guys at GC said the blue wasnt made anymore.....figures. Good ol' rocket scientists those guys are....

I sent him the link.

AC, it actually might not be made anymore - I don't see it on the Gibson website.
However, even if that's true, that doesn't mean that a bunch of places don't still have some around.

Let me know how your bro makes out.

Acoustic Cloud · 3rd September 2006, 07:33 PM

Yeah, this morning he told me, "You think Im stupid?? Of course I checked"!!!!
He said Gibson site says the color is discoed.....

I think his "gas has passed" on this one anyway...he seems to have let it go for now. Im glad, that thing is UGLY, to me anyway.

Rednose · 3rd September 2006, 08:00 PM

yeah, I don't think its a fake, too many pix and the serial.
I had a custom one like that in the mid '90s. It was Peacock Green".
Thats an awesome looking guitar, but the banjo style machine heads blow.
You will allways be out of tune, ask my roadie about that one.
Good luck!

MadGuitrst · 3rd September 2006, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acoustic Cloud

Yeah, this morning he told me, "You think Im stupid??

of course you said no.....as you laughed your head off.

Quote:

that thing is UGLY, to me anyway

There's no accounting for taste my friend...........

Acoustic Cloud · 4th September 2006, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadGuitrst

of course you said no.....as you laughed your head off.

There's no accounting for taste my friend...........

Man, aint that right!!! Hes lookin' thru some funny glasses when he thinks that a perdy guitar!

Maybe the same ones that mom uses when she says I am the handsomest of all the brothers??!?

Well, maybe the guitar aint that bad lookin'....................

dbbubba · 4th September 2006, 07:04 AM

I can't count how many times I have almost bought an original Firebird at a guitar show.
I think that they look cool as hell, but when I play one it feels so awkward!
I was playing a beautiful, original year reverse Firebird III about five years ago and Eric Johnson was standing in front of me and said, "You need to buy that guitar. You make it sound good."
Not even THAT made me part with the cash!

The vintage ones are "sleeper" guitars.
Like the LP Jrs. and SGs they will creep up in price.
They have not taken off like LP Jrs. (which is rediculous!) but they will appreciate.
I just don't buy guitars to sell them.

I like the look of Firebirds.
Not so much the non-reverse ones.
Neither is very functional.

Danny Brown

reid · 4th September 2006, 10:12 AM

From the original eBay ad.....

Local Bidders - No self collection option is available unless item is more than $100 USD in value. Payment for local bidders is by Paypal or bank transfer. We strictly do not entertain testing, viewing or bargaining.

Real or fake, any seller that won't let you try (let alone SEE!) the thing before handing over the moolah, is dodgy in my book.

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2nd September 2006, 08:59 PM	#1
Acoustic Cloud Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: around the corner Posts: 1,964	Gibson fake!! http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Gibson-Cust...QQcmdZViewItem My brother is hot after a discoed STUPID blue metal flake Gibson Firebird. (Why, I dont know, I hate those.) Hes looking at this one, and Im telling him its a sham, he keeps saying "what if its real".over and over.... Help me stop him?....or not?!?! __________________ If the Earth wasnt created, where'd all the dirt come from?

2nd September 2006, 09:24 PM	#2
theblue1 Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 5,701	Well... at least it's not a "Gibsun." __________________ biz \| profile \| songblog \| acoustic \| mutant roots pop

2nd September 2006, 09:29 PM	#3
De chromium cob Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 3,362	Why do you think its a fake? The pictures clearly show the serial number, so call or email Gibson and find out.... __________________ "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives." Tolstoy Scott Benson www.syborgstudios.com

3rd September 2006, 03:14 PM	#8
Acoustic Cloud Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: around the corner Posts: 1,964	THANKS MAD!! well, he told me the guys at GC said the blue wasnt made anymore.....figures. Good ol' rocket scientists those guys are.... I sent him the link. __________________ If the Earth wasnt created, where'd all the dirt come from?

2nd September 2006, 10:26 PM	#4
max cooper Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: tx Posts: 8,819	I've seen all kinds of stuff come out of the Custom Shop... this one's not a stretch to me. I had a Celebrity Series Firebird and I loved it. but I wouldn't buy a guitar from overseas no matter who the seller is. The sound of an electric guitar depends so much on the wood that it doesn't make sense to me to pay money for an instrument without hearing it.

3rd September 2006, 12:46 AM	#6
musical5 Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Gilbert Az Posts: 145	A real good friend of mine won one of those, with no reserve, from Singapore. It was a fake. The auction ended with him winning it for $30.00 plus $300.00 for shipping. He hoped it was real....but nope.

3rd September 2006, 04:27 PM	#10
dbbubba Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,839	First... that color is called Pelham Blue and was quite prevelent iun the early '60s. Second... I wouldn't belive ANYTHING that came out of the mouth of anyone at GC! I derive GREAT pleasure when we need to stop in at GC and buy something real quick. My friend goes to the "Pro Audio" area (yeah, right!) and I pick up a guitar and plug it in. Keep in mind that I have played guitar for AT LEAST forty years.... I know my way around the thing quite well. The response I get from the salesmen that happen to venture near is always funny! Good example: I was recently in the Hollywood GC and you would think that they knew their stuff. I had just been at the Dallas Guitar Show the weekend before and played a Fender "thin fin" Strat that I loved. Thin Fins are nitocelulose paint finished models that are fairly close to the '50s paint formulas... they sound VERY good. I didn't buy it because I didn't know that my friend had sold another guitar at his booth for me. A week later I had cash in my bank account that would allow me to buy the Fender. NO ONE and let me repeat that NO ONE at the Hollywood GC had even heard of a Fender Thin Fin. Not even the guys in the "vintage" department that sell decent, vintage guitars at TREMENDOUSLY inflated prices knewe what a Thin Fin was. In fact, I got the impression that I was percieved as a wannabe yokel because I'm fifty years old, don't look like a guitar player and have a southern accent. I felt like I was treated lke a tourist who wandered in off of the street! I have played guitar almost my entire life and owned "vinatge" guitars before these Hollywood "experts" were out of pre-school! If I could sell my collection of guitars at the prices they ask I'd be a happy and richer man! Most GC people are making minimum wage at best and know VERY little about what they sell. I LOVE to actually venture into the "pro audio" area and inquire about the "vintage" mics. I own mics older than these kid's parents, but they can tell me stuff that I never knew.... and it's complete bullshit and mostly incorrect stuff that they have assumed or misinterpreted. It is more annoying than entertaining! DON'T BUY ANYTHING OFF OF eBay THAT YOU CAN'T VERIFY TO BE 100% AS REPRESENTED BY THE SELLER! I recently won a bid on a MCI JH24 24 track deck that was easy to pick up and appeared to be of a vintage that I want. Because the person that possesed the deck wasn't going to be back in town until after I had to travel, I wouldn't be able to personally check out the deck. Everything appeared fine and my emails and phone calls were answered promptly. Everything appeared "OK", but I still was not going to part with $2K before inspecting the deck! I've seen too many people burned by what appeared to be "good deals" on eBay. In fact, I'd say that 75% of what I have seen people buy is mis-represented in one degree or the other. Danny Brown

3rd September 2006, 07:33 PM	#13
Acoustic Cloud Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: around the corner Posts: 1,964	Yeah, this morning he told me, "You think Im stupid?? Of course I checked"!!!! He said Gibson site says the color is discoed..... I think his "gas has passed" on this one anyway...he seems to have let it go for now. Im glad, that thing is UGLY, to me anyway. __________________ If the Earth wasnt created, where'd all the dirt come from?

3rd September 2006, 08:00 PM	#14
Rednose Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 650	yeah, I don't think its a fake, too many pix and the serial. I had a custom one like that in the mid '90s. It was Peacock Green". Thats an awesome looking guitar, but the banjo style machine heads blow. You will allways be out of tune, ask my roadie about that one. Good luck! __________________ www.sonicpalacemusic.com www.myspace.com/sonicpalace

4th September 2006, 07:04 AM	#17
dbbubba Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,839	I can't count how many times I have almost bought an original Firebird at a guitar show. I think that they look cool as hell, but when I play one it feels so awkward! I was playing a beautiful, original year reverse Firebird III about five years ago and Eric Johnson was standing in front of me and said, "You need to buy that guitar. You make it sound good." Not even THAT made me part with the cash! The vintage ones are "sleeper" guitars. Like the LP Jrs. and SGs they will creep up in price. They have not taken off like LP Jrs. (which is rediculous!) but they will appreciate. I just don't buy guitars to sell them. I like the look of Firebirds. Not so much the non-reverse ones. Neither is very functional. Danny Brown

4th September 2006, 10:12 AM	#18
reid Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Berlin-London Posts: 594	From the original eBay ad..... Local Bidders - No self collection option is available unless item is more than $100 USD in value. Payment for local bidders is by Paypal or bank transfer. We strictly do not entertain testing, viewing or bargaining. Real or fake, any seller that won't let you try (let alone SEE!) the thing before handing over the moolah, is dodgy in my book.

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