Subkick Placement

[Nu-tra]

Would it hurt the subkick if I placed it over the sound hole? Does it matter where to place it on a kick or have you found a sweet spot? I'm getting one this week. It sounds pretty full proof on placement

V

[dasoundjunkie]

Originally Posted by Nu-tra

Would it hurt the subkick if I placed it over the sound hole? Does it matter where to place it on a kick or have you found a sweet spot? I'm getting one this week. It sounds pretty full proof on placement

V

Dude I honestly haven't found a place in front of a kick were this fukkin' thing does'nt work including directly in front if the soundhole, he ain't finicky! I'm a week away from trying it on a bass cab, I'll let you know!

[Bounce]

Anybody in L.A. got a Yamaha subkick that wants to come to my studio and compare it with my DIY subkick? I'd love to hear if mine needs some extra DIY time :-) If mine fares well (I've been diggin it), I'll take a look at and post the speaker model I used (purchased from Speaker City in Burbank). Any takers?

[PapillonIrl]

Originally Posted by Nu-tra

Would it hurt the subkick if I placed it over the sound hole? Does it matter where to place it on a kick or have you found a sweet spot? I'm getting one this week. It sounds pretty full proof on placement

V

Closer always seems to work better for me. Kind of against what I thought at first.

Started with about a foot away, and the closer I put it the better it seemed to hit me.

I Guess the closer to the skin it is the more air moves it...it has a bigger diaphragm tham most mics after all..

Nathan

p.s. this is with a resonant skin on.

[turk sanchez]

Whenever I use the subkick it is SO hot that it is allways clipping most pres...the 3124 with the pad on and gain all the way down and it still clips like mad (on the pre and hits red in pro tools as well)...WAY to much for the Wunder too...you guys have the same experience with it? I have to pull it back about 8 inches and use pads and no gain on the pres and it is allways just about to clip.

I still can't decide if I like the subkick better than using a coles or u195 as FOK...I think I like the mics better.

dasoundjunkie...it RULES on bass cab!

[Thumper]

You must have a fukcing loud drummer!!!

It shouldn't be THAT hot...

Try running it into a balanced line input, and see if that works.

[Guidotoons]

I have heard several recordings where they used a "subkick" device and have determined the best place for it is in the box and on it's way back to wherever it was purchased.

Not a fan of them.

Guido

[Ol' Betsey]

Originally Posted by Guidotoons

I have heard several recordings where they used a "subkick" device and have determined the best place for it is in the box and on it's way back to wherever it was purchased.

Not a fan of them.

Guido

Maybe you just didn't like the way KICK DRUM actually sounded on those records?

In my opinion, the Sub Kick should be seen and not heard. I mean FELT () and not heard, if you know what I mean?

R.

[Doublehelix]

Originally Posted by Ol' Betsey

Maybe you just didn't like the way KICK DRUM actually sounded on those records?

In my opinion, the Sub Kick should be seen and not heard. I mean FELT () and not heard, if you know what I mean?

R.

Agreed. It sounds horrible by itself imho, and needs to be combined with another "regular" mic.

Done correctly, I think it sounds amazing!

[thenoiseflower]

Originally Posted by Guidotoons

I have heard several recordings where they used a "subkick" device and have determined the best place for it is in the box and on it's way back to wherever it was purchased.

Not a fan of them.

Guido

Originally Posted by Ol' Betsey

Maybe you just didn't like the way KICK DRUM actually sounded on those records?

In my opinion, the Sub Kick should be seen and not heard. I mean FELT () and not heard, if you know what I mean?

R.

Paula Cole??? Roger Mouteno???!!!! yes, enough said , it was DIY too (with no enclosure, I think actualy like suspended in placed of the front head!!!, Id bet for phase issues ), There was an article a few years back. Not sure if it was Tape-Op or Mix....

In regards to the question, IMO within a few feet of the kick, and wherever it sounds best AND is in phase.
and oh yeah, one size is not always appropriate, 8" IMO is not big enough. more like a 12" and a 15" if your gonna make one.

[Nu-tra]

Thanks guys

[dasoundjunkie]

Originally Posted by waffle waitress

Whenever I use the subkick it is SO hot that it is allways clipping most pres...the 3124 with the pad on and gain all the way down and it still clips like mad (on the pre and hits red in pro tools as well)...WAY to much for the Wunder too...you guys have the same experience with it? I have to pull it back about 8 inches and use pads and no gain on the pres and it is allways just about to clip.

I still can't decide if I like the subkick better than using a coles or u195 as FOK...I think I like the mics better.

dasoundjunkie...it RULES on bass cab!

I'm using it with a modified Presonus M-80 or Earthworcks lab-102 and never had a problem ,strange.. maybe you got one of those mutant pieces that do things that the rest of the production run don't do? If you'd said it was with only one mic pre I would have said "check the pre" but you said that the Wunder does it too so it MUST be the Sub-Kick. Dude ,I honestly don't know!


Thanx for the heads up on bass cab
Peace

[Nu-tra]

It doesn't say what the output level is of this thing on the online specs. After reading some threads the general consciences is that the output is too hot. Is it line level out?

[TheSweetener]

Originally Posted by waffle waitress

Whenever I use the subkick it is SO hot that it is allways clipping most pres...the 3124 with the pad on and gain all the way down and it still clips like mad (on the pre and hits red in pro tools as well)...WAY to much for the Wunder too...you guys have the same experience with it?

Try another preamp. The 3124 is a damn hot preamp! There have been so many threads about attenuators after API pres on Gearslutz. Another option (as usual) is the Shure inline pad.

[john caldwell]

I generally use 20db ot attenuation between the Subkick and preamp. The True Systems Precision 8 usually gets the preamp job for the Subkick. Without the pad, the preamp does clip (according to the Precision 8's led panel).

John-

Originally Posted by waffle waitress

Whenever I use the subkick it is SO hot that it is allways clipping most pres...the 3124 with the pad on and gain all the way down and it still clips like mad (on the pre and hits red in pro tools as well)...WAY to much for the Wunder too...you guys have the same experience with it? I have to pull it back about 8 inches and use pads and no gain on the pres and it is allways just about to clip.

I still can't decide if I like the subkick better than using a coles or u195 as FOK...I think I like the mics better.

dasoundjunkie...it RULES on bass cab!

[84K]

A lot of people use NS-10s as room mics. Anyone using sub-kicks as room mics? Anyone compare the difference in an NS-10 convert to a sub-kick? How similar are they????

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by thenoiseflower

In regards to the question, IMO within a few feet of the kick, and wherever it sounds best AND is in phase.
and oh yeah, one size is not always appropriate, 8" IMO is not big enough. more like a 12" and a 15" if your gonna make one.

Speaker SIZE has absolutly nothing to do with it. It's the resonant frequency of the driver. The subkick is magic, because it adds a resonance around 40 hz or so. It ADDS this resonance to whatever else it picks up. That's where the huge thickening comes from.

I've tried using a 12" driver (the old sub in my car) with a resonance frequency somewhere around 25 hz. No enclosure. HUGE amounts of 25 hz. 25hz doesn't belong in a kick drum, if you ask me... But, it absolutly RULES as a bass guitar mic. With the fs (resonant freq.) that low, everything above it has almost no resonance, so it sounds super tight. I used it alongside of another mic, but it really thickened up the bottom, and actually added a very plesant 400-600 hz midrange as well.

I'm currently working on a "subkick" project where I'll be able to adjust the fs, so it can be super low, to get out of the way for bass guitar apps, or up to 70hz for kick drum. I'll be able to chose where the huge thick low stuff is.

I'm also building a circuit, where I can pick how much resonance there is. Huge boom, or a nice controlled, defined thump.

[PapillonIrl]

Any particular tricks to tracking and mixing a bass cab with another mic ?

Anyone found a good complementary mic for it on bass cab ?

Cheers mateys,

Nathan

[edvdr76]

Originally Posted by Nu-tra

Would it hurt the subkick if I placed it over the sound hole? Does it matter where to place it on a kick or have you found a sweet spot? I'm getting one this week. It sounds pretty full proof on placement

V

Its pretty hard to make this thing sound bad. Just dont use compression on the way to tape. Sounds way better when you do it after.thumbsup thumbsup

[SMC Productions]

Originally Posted by dasoundjunkie

Dude I honestly haven't found a place in front of a kick were this fukkin' thing does'nt work including directly in front if the soundhole, he ain't finicky! I'm a week away from trying it on a bass cab, I'll let you know!

I use one on a Bass Cab all the time...sounds good!

[themaidsroom]

Originally Posted by 84K

A lot of people use NS-10s as room mics. Anyone using sub-kicks as room mics? Anyone compare the difference in an NS-10 convert to a sub-kick? How similar are they????

i use the subkick more on piano and bass than anything else.....


last couple of days.......piano......subkick.....amazing........
subkick/coles
subkick/e22s
subkick/251
amazing


i've got two



be well



- jack

[84K]

Thanks Jack!!

[thenoiseflower]

Originally Posted by Thumper

Speaker SIZE has absolutly nothing to do with it. It's the resonant frequency of the driver. The subkick is magic, because it adds a resonance around 40 hz or so. It ADDS this resonance to whatever else it picks up. That's where the huge thickening comes from.

my 8" i build years ago stays in the locker, the 12" (celestion) is the most used peice of frankenstien gear in out shop, BUT I've never acctualy tried a consumer "sub" for that purpose, and the varying sizes do aid to getting a better blend with differing material. Like how one mic does not do the job of all, I think I'd feel confident saying one Sub kick doesnt do the job of all, of 3 or 4 to pick from, the definetly have different attributes. Ive never gotten too anal with he resonant freqs of the driver, but I feel what your saying. 40hz, hmm ill build a new one