E49 at $8,000 with 18 bids on eBay...WHY???

[not_so_new]

Originally Posted by pan60

i had a friend who's info was 100% copied and listed under a different sellers name last year while his action was still going on.
he caught it and reported the issue to ebay, ebay refused to help because the email address on his account was different then the one he used to report the issue.
he responded and explained that that account was set up to only receive email and he could not send from the address.
still they refused help.
by the time the info was changed on his account both actions end.
a few week's later the copied info was yet again re-listed, the same info once again.
my friend once again reported the issue to ebay they still refused help claimed his account looked suspect.
i like ebay, i use it, some of the scams are so easy to spot but some are not.
i do feel ebay need's to step up the security a bit.
it is difficult to report suspect info.
they need a button that is labeled scam report!
i have tried to report suspect listing's and just have not been able to figure out how.
but then again i am not to computer savvy.
i feel their are a few things that could be done to make getting the scammers busted a bit smoother.

I agree from our side that looks bad... BUT it is still your responsibility as a buyer to check out the auction, the more money on the line the more checking you do.

Also I would point out that there are always 2 sides to every story. From our side Ebay looked pretty unresponsive to your friend's emails. BUT it may just be possible from their side (Ebay that is) they also see scams doing exactly what your friend was doing. I don't know, I am sure that the truth is some place in-between.

My only point in this response is it is REALLY in Ebay's interest that they manage fraud on their site. It is part of their business survival. They know that if the site is really overwhelmed with scams they will loose people in a hurry and they can't let this happen. That said I also know they have a certain % of fraud that they find acceptable, that sucks but they clearly state their legal responsibility when you sign up for the account and just like the police they can't catch everything.

I am just saying that they are not 100% to blame for scammers, the fact that stupid people buy scammed products keeps the scammers coming back. You want to stop SPAM on the internet? Get everyone to stop purchasing products from SPAMMERS. You want to stop SCAM on Ebay? Get everyone to stop purchasing form SCAMMERS.

[wayne mox]

Originally Posted by not_so_new

I am just saying that they are not 100% to blame for scammers, the fact that stupid people buy scammed products keeps the scammers coming back.

Your suggestions to a buyer, and your advice on how to spot a scammer are all correct, but it's like putting a band-aid on a major bleed.

In other words, it's like the police just sit around eating donuts until a robber or rape happens right in front of their noses and THEN they decide to do something. Meanwhile, they slap the victim on the hand for having his store open past 11pm or slap a victim on the hand for wearing a short skirt in a dark alley. Maam, you didn't *need* to go down that dark alley in a mini-skirt, you should have expected to get raped... why didn't you take precautions?

Ebay *created* the infrastructure we all use. There is no other way we can spot the scammers except with the tools Ebay provides.

Those *tools* are CRAP. The infrasctructure is CRAP.

Just like the previous post said, didn't take much thinking, and not a lot of effeort, he said how bout a SCAM BUTTON on each auction someone can just click?

Or my idea: How about a SEARCH FUNCTION THAT GOES BACK THREE YEARS instead of a measly 30 DAYS!!!! Unacceptable!


Wow... how hard is that? Ebay has no inclination to do anything at least until they have to start paying in lawsuits.

[Greg Curtis]

$21,000 for a $3,000 mic. http://cgi.ebay.com/Soundelux-e49-mu...QQcmdZViewItem

[wayne mox]

Originally Posted by Greg Curtis

$21,000 for a $3,000 mic. http://cgi.ebay.com/Soundelux-e49-mu...QQcmdZViewItem

Uh huh... the original seller has advised Ebay of this twice already. Among others. Automated responses in return. Plainly an overpriced mic, no... a vastly overpriced mic, and STILL Ebay does nothing.

Nothing wrong with their system? LOL!

[not_so_new]

Ebay *created* the infrastructure we all use. There is no other way we can spot the scammers except with the tools Ebay provides.

I just don't understand why you can get this point.... YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE EBAY AT ALL... no one is twisting your arm are they?

Also yes we can only use the tools Ebay provides but I have shown earlier in this thread that for almost all cases (in the 100's and 100's of transactions I have done it would be ALL for me) the tools they provide are more than adequate for sniff out a scammer.

[not_so_new]

Originally Posted by wayne mox

Uh huh... the original seller has advised Ebay of this twice already. Among others. Automated responses in return. Plainly an overpriced mic, no... a vastly overpriced mic, and STILL Ebay does nothing.

Nothing wrong with their system? LOL!

Their system is BUYER BEWARE in stead of this bull sh*t we have in our society now were we no one has any responsibility for anything. Sue anyone or anything that you don't like, it's the litigious American freak'n way right?

Did you read where I said this earlier??

Originally Posted by me

By all of your arguments on this thread my ISP should block all spam, viruses, physing attacks and everything that could potentially cause my computer harm? I have no responsibility and I should just go open each and every email that I get and follow every link that I receive because my ISP should take care of my security. Because my ISP is watching out for me I automatically trust everything that comes in to my email account. I have zero responsibility for my computer's security and I am pissed off at my ISP because I got a virus. Crazy.

*sigh*

Look I don't know what you are not reading in my posts but you win. Ebay sucks, all Ebay transactions are bad and Ebay is the evil empire. Happy?

Have a good one......

[Greg Curtis]

I'm thinking of putting one of e49s up with a Buy It Now price of "only" $6,000. But I'm just too nice a guy to do that.

Greg

[blaugruen7]

now to something complete different:

ebay was founded some years ago by 4 jobless germans and was sold after one year for 20 million euros.

[wayne mox]

Originally Posted by not_so_new

I just don't understand why you can get this point.... YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE EBAY AT ALL... no one is twisting your arm are they?

Also yes we can only use the tools Ebay provides but I have shown earlier in this thread that for almost all cases (in the 100's and 100's of transactions I have done it would be ALL for me) the tools they provide are more than adequate for sniff out a scammer.

And you are not forced to use your Visa or Mastercard either are you? If someone steals your Visa account info, then you must be responsible eh???

I guess I'm not following your way of thinking.

Answer me this one question: Why doesn't Ebay have a search function that gives us the option to search back 3 years instead of a measly 30 days?

Numerous other online resources allow search functions far beyond 3 years.

I'll answer for you, because it would require more infrastructure, more money, and more maintenance on their part, and the big one, it would actually require their "police" to do some real research when scam alerts come in.

[not_so_new]

Originally Posted by wayne mox

And you are not forced to use your Visa or Mastercard either are you? If someone steals your Visa account info, then you must be responsible eh???

I guess I'm not following your way of thinking.

Answer me this one question: Why doesn't Ebay have a search function that gives us the option to search back 3 years instead of a measly 30 days?

Numerous other online resources allow search functions far beyond 3 years.

I'll answer for you, because it would require more infrastructure, more money, and more maintenance on their part, and the big one, it would actually require their "police" to do some real research when scam alerts come in.

Your right, Ebay sucks.

[wayne mox]

Originally Posted by not_so_new

Your right, Ebay sucks.

Heh.

Ok seriously now... which Ebay department do you work in?

[not_so_new]

Oh and by the way.... last night on a whim I sent a complaint to Ebay about this auction stating all the things I said above about what I think is wrong with this listing and why I believe it is a fraudulent auction. This is the first fraudulent auction I have ever reported to Ebay. It was a slightly difficult to find the right category but once I did it was very easy to report.

Go check the link now....

"This listing (#140015830814) has been removed or is no longer available. Please make sure you entered the right item number."

"Marketplace Safety Tip

Never pay for your eBay item using instant cash transfer services such as Western Union or MoneyGram or by recharging someone's prepaid credit card. These methods are not safe to pay people you do not know personally.

In addition, these payment methods are not eligible for the eBay buyer protection programs."

Now that was not so hard was it? But Ebay's security still sucks I know.. hell from what I gather you are not even bothering to read my posts "wayne mox"... you can skip everything above and just read my last line....

Yes I still agree with you Ebay sucks, have a good one.

[not_so_new]

Originally Posted by wayne mox

Heh.

Ok seriously now... which Ebay department do you work in?

Okay seriously now, I don't work for Ebay and implying that I do kind of pissees me off... but I am sure that is what you are going for right?

Okay, you can skip everything I said above and just read what you want to hear.

Ebay sucks, I agree.

[hourglass]

Originally Posted by zarembo

what do you guys think about ebay having moderators like on GS who take care of business, like lower tiered management but very accessible to the community.

I think that's a fantastic idea and ebay should pursue it immediately.

They should assign someone to each major category to be the catch-all for all the scams. I don't even expect such a person could catch all the shit on their own, but they could be a first point of contact for all the notification e-mails we send about these scams which just tend to get ignored with the present situation...

Yeah, but then they'd actually have to pay somebody to read e-mails, so it'll never happen.

ryan

[danasti]

Originally Posted by wayne mox

Numerous other online resources allow search functions far beyond 3 years.

I'll answer for you, because it would require more infrastructure, more money, and more maintenance on their part, and the big one, it would actually require their "police" to do some real research when scam alerts come in.

First, I've been reading your replies. My wifes gallery purchases quite a few paintings from many of the major auction houses here in NYC.

At auction it's her gallery along with other bidders and not the auction house who is responsible for the final sale price.

If a painting sold happened to be a fake, which happens ALOT, guess what happens? They call the police. The gallery is now the owner filing a complaint against the person who auctioned the item. The person who gave the fake to the auction house for sale is the criminal, not the auction house. They are only a middle man.

Ebay is operating like any other auction house. Auctions all carry and inherent risk of fraud.

In life you have to take the responsibility to protect yourself. You have to investigate what you are buying and who you are buying from. If you don't want the risk of buying an item that you can't see, can't touch and cannot verify; don't buy it at auction; at least on ebay.

Not_so_new is absolutely correct - you should simply not use ebay - it's not for you... If you don't like their search don't use it. Instead of complaining for them to change just do your shopping somewhere else and move on.

[not_so_new]

Originally Posted by danasti

First, I've been reading your replies. My wifes gallery purchases quite a few paintings from many of the major auction houses here in NYC.

At auction it's her gallery along with other bidders and not the auction house who is responsible for the final sale price.

If a painting sold happened to be a fake, which happens ALOT, guess what happens? They call the police. The gallery is now the owner filing a complaint against the person who auctioned the item. The person who gave the fake to the auction house for sale is the criminal, not the auction house. They are only a middle man.

Ebay is operating like any other auction house. Auctions all carry and inherent risk of fraud.

In life you have to take the responsibility to protect yourself. You have to investigate what you are buying and who you are buying from. If you don't want the risk of buying an item that you can't see, can't touch and cannot verify; don't buy it at auction; at least on ebay.

Not_so_new is absolutely correct - you should simply not use ebay - it's not for you... If you don't like their search don't use it. Instead of complaining for them to change just do your shopping somewhere else and move on.

Could not have said it better myself... and I sure as hell did try.

Thanks man.....

Oh..... right, Wayne is not going to read this part, skip to the end...

Ebay sucks....

[wayne mox]

Originally Posted by danasti

If a painting sold happened to be a fake, which happens ALOT, guess what happens? They call the police. The gallery is now the owner filing a complaint against the person who auctioned the item. The person who gave the fake to the auction house for sale is the criminal, not the auction house. They are only a middle man.

Ebay is operating like any other auction house. Auctions all carry and inherent risk of fraud.

You can't compare Ebay auctions to real auction houses.

Auction houses employ numerous safety devices to ensure that the *person* selling the paintings is really that person he says he is. That's the huge difference here.

I guess I really don't understand all this resistance to simple ideas to make Ebay safer for buyers and sellers alike. If anyone loves Ebay so much as to defend their current state of operations, do you realize how horrible scams are becoming? Do you realize how often they are happening? I complain about Ebay's poor system because I love using Ebay. It is nowhere near as safe as it was 5 years ago when you could almost trust anyone.


Why would anyone even debate the idea of allowing searches to go back 3 years? Allow "scam alert" buttons on each auction page for quick notification of suspicious auctions?

A quick read through the Ebay community forums would reveal how piss-poor Ebay has handled legitimate complaints to obvious scams.

I see Ebay finally took down this specific auction. Took way too long, should have been down several days ago. IT was more than obvious a scam with a hijacked account.

By leaving this specific mic auction to go on this long has done nothing but hurt their image even more. The longer it stayed up, the worse it looks. Piss-poor system.