Simple tips to create space in music? - Gearslutz.com Gearslutz.com
 


All Advertisers
Go Back   Gearslutz.com > The Forums > So much gear, so little time!

Simple tips to create space in music?
Topic: New Reply New Reply Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 18th January 2013   #1
Gear Head
 
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 38

Thread Starter
Simple tips to create space in music?

I got a bunch of nerd friends making music all the time. They all do is separately. But they aren't very good at keep the music from entering the competitive biles of the loudness war... Problem is, even when they don't, they are poor at creating space in the music. You are assaulted with undynamic, undifferentiated noises (guitar, synth, whatever). There are just no surprises when you get introduced to a new part of the song.

Anyway... I would appreciate some lamen, simple, concepts I can relay to them. I personally intuitively feel like panning, stereo width, reverb, envelope, all need to be played with for everything in order to achieve a soundscape that doesn't sound a fancy kids toy in front of a musician. A lot of that is limitation on space and recording equipment; but then again if you don't even use a microphone to capture sounds, not an option.

Pfft, so how can I brake this down into simple talk, simple ideas? Most of the time when I say space in the music, like negative space, no one knows what I'm talking about.
CleanPWR is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 18th January 2013   #2
Lives for gear
 
ksandvik's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,739

Remove 30% of the tracks.
ksandvik is offline  
1
Reply With Quote
Old 18th January 2013   #3
t_d
Lives for gear
 
t_d's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Location: pound ridge, NY
Posts: 1,829

1. do what ksandvik said
2. use eno's "oblique strategies"
3. copious amounts of subtractive EQ to carve each sound their own home.

3.5 maybe move this topic to a different board as this is more mixing territory than mastering.
__________________
12k (label)12k masteringphotography

looking for: simplicity
t_d is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 18th January 2013   #4
Gear addict
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 314

Take out all the parts that suck. In some cases this may exceed 90% of recorded material.
Heimel is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 19th January 2013   #5
has all the gear he needs
 
Unclenny's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Location: Terra Firma
Posts: 7,243

There are many ways that you can use subtle delays to create space......

...automate a long delay to get an instrument to step off into the distance as it transitions to a quieter passage. The listener will feel that space. Or put a short offset stereo delay on a stereo track to push it back a little.

Automate your panning to move instruments across the soundstage and automate your reverb returns to send instruments to different spaces at crucial times.

Space...the final frontier.
__________________
"The main thing is to have a gutsy approach....but use your head." Julia Child

"Too late to the game to have any fun." theblue1

"Sometimes invisible are these glistening threads........" Janni Littlepage


Leonard Scaper......Long Ride Home
Unclenny is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 19th January 2013   #6
Gear Head
 
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 38

Thread Starter
Thank you for the serious reply. That sounds very useful, even if I have to translate it to them.
CleanPWR is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 19th January 2013   #7
Gear maniac
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 183

Space is often in the writing and arranging of the music. For example just because someone has a six piece band doesn't mean all six have to all the time. The Heartbreakers are a great example of restraint and arranging.
__________________
billkahler.com (music)
prettygoodgig.com (podcast)
billkahler is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 19th January 2013   #8
Lives for gear
 
Old Goat's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Location: Eastern Ozarks
Posts: 4,318

Quote:
Originally Posted by billkahler View Post
Space is often in the writing and arranging of the music. For example just because someone has a six piece band doesn't mean all six have to all the time. The Heartbreakers are a great example of restraint and arranging.
Automate your faders to duck what isn't front and center at the moment.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unclenny View Post
There are many ways that you can use subtle delays to create space......

...automate a long delay to get an instrument to step off into the distance as it transitions to a quieter passage. The listener will feel that space. Or put a short offset stereo delay on a stereo track to push it back a little.

Automate your panning to move instruments across the soundstage and automate your reverb returns to send instruments to different spaces at crucial times.

Space...the final frontier.
Or automate a short reverb to move a track back a bit.

And use panning to move parts around to make room.

I assed up the multiquote--first try, gimme a break--but t_d is right on with using eq to create space for each voice. It really works. Crank some knobs.

As for convincing the band, yer on yer own, Bucko!
__________________
singer/songwriter
Soundclick Cdbaby
No Outlaws Anymore New album!

Better a crust in peace than a banquet in a house of contention

Give me patience. If I get strength I'm gonna need bail money to go with it.
Old Goat is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 19th January 2013   #9
Gear Head
 
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 38

Thread Starter
Quote:
Originally Posted by billkahler View Post
Space is often in the writing and arranging of the music. For example just because someone has a six piece band doesn't mean all six have to all the time. The Heartbreakers are a great example of restraint and arranging.
Story of my life... I mean the local music scene making me barf.
CleanPWR is offline  
Reply With Quote
New Reply New Reply Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook  Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter  Submit Thread to LinkedIn LinkedIn 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Similar Threads
Thread Thread starter Forum Replies Last Post
So where do you see the music industry in 10 years? TheReal7 Music Business 87 28th June 2012 05:32 AM
Radio commercial, tips? Kenadon Post Production forum! 25 13th April 2010 10:13 PM
Trick For Adding Warmth to a Mix PhonoquO Rap + Hip Hop engineering & production 60 13th October 2007 01:27 AM
NYC/Brooklyn sluts: rent-by-the-hour practice spaces?? drockfresh Remote Possibilities in Acoustic Music & Location Recording 10 3rd January 2007 02:32 PM
Big Band Recording in rehearsal space. PapillonIrl Remote Possibilities in Acoustic Music & Location Recording 5 14th February 2005 07:21 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:02 PM.

Home - Search Forum - Contact Us - Terms Of Use / Privacy Policy - Advertise on Gearslutz - All Advertisers - Top
 
 
Powered by vBulletin®
Gearslutz.com LTD - UK Company Number 7597610.
Registered Office - 35 Ballards Lane, London, N3 1XW.
Hosted by Nimbus Hosting.

By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies.

SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.