what chain of plugs do well on a trumpet track

[billydrummerboy]

Looking for some Ideas to make a trumpet track shine from EQ to Reverb or what ever
I have waves Platintum, SSL 4000 , Uad, Altei Verb 4, Nomad Factory I like the Tape simulator in my Nomad, I never did a trumpet track until now so any one with experience would help
Thanks
billy

[KenRutkowski]

billy - I think the reason you haven't gotten responses is because you've kind of asked "What should I put between bread to make the best possible sandwich?"

There are far too many different opinions that are all "correct" but may not be correct for you in your specific situation.

In addition, there are very few - if any - of us that have the exact same gear that you have, and we don't know what your trumpet sound is at this point, nor do we know what style you're working on, or how you'd like it to sound.

In short, the answer that most people probably thought of when they read your post was, "Damn - just listen to it and add what it needs!!!"

Ken

[billydrummerboy]

Well ya' and NO There are tips that work well on acoustic Guitar that start you in the right direction and you tweak it in from there, tips are not final.There are no rules I watched Mix it like a record and some of that stuff is a great starting point on vocals ect. Tips are Tips (I'm not asking for the Holy Grail ). One might do something in a chain event that creates a cool result. Ideas Rule in this field 10 tips One works then it's worth it.
Thanks
billy

[Mike Caffrey]

You probably haven't gotten a lot of answers becuase the answer is "none".


Record it with a Coles 4038 from 18-36 inches away, or close with a room mic and don't process in the mix other than volume or panning.

[allstar]

Originally Posted by billydrummerboy

Ideas Rule in this field 10 tips One works then it's worth it.
Thanks
billy

You've GOT to give some sort of context to your question otherwise the answer is so vague, it is like the question,

useless.


What sort of sound are you after ?

What (IYO) is lacking/annoying in the sound you recorded ?

[billydrummerboy]

Ok I'm sorry for the vague Question
Were would you roll off the EQ on a trumpet and boost it, do you compress, I'm looking to have a smooth and Bright sound with out Harshness smooth Reverb Tail
Thats All!
I Quess I'll get a CD that has a Trumpet Cut that I'm looking for and Take a Listen
Thanks
billy

[henryrobinett]

Man, I don't know. I've done a lot of trumpet tracks. I generally record with either an RCA77dx, an AEA 84R, a Royer 121 or an AEA 44. Compressors have varied. For plugins on trumpet I generally favor the UAD Fairchild, but the UAD LA2A is also good. I've EQed so many different ways, sometimes none, that it doesn't make any sense to comment on it. It depends on the players, the instrument and the muscial context.

[Lynn Fuston]

AEA 84 at 24" + a Cranesong Flamingo = Big Smile.

Add a little reverb to taste.

That's all I need.

[TanTan]

Originally Posted by billydrummerboy

Looking for some Ideas to make a trumpet track shine from EQ to Reverb or what ever
I have waves Platintum, SSL 4000 , Uad, Altei Verb 4, Nomad Factory I like the Tape simulator in my Nomad, I never did a trumpet track until now so any one with experience would help
Thanks
billy

Waves C1 - SC is good for compressing the mid\high frequencies of a trumpet

[TREMORS]

I'm kind of a rook, but wouldnt a similar situation apply to trumpet as it would a drummer??

Meaning, how is his breathing technique? Are the notes spot on? Equal volume?
Id imagine compression may not be necassary for a great take, and a great trumpet player.

As far as EQ, does it need to stand out in the mix of other instruments?
Is it support, or a lead instrument?

Flame me if am a dope, but these are the initial questions I would ask myself.

[billydrummerboy]

Thanks for your responce
In the mix the chain of plugs I used last night on the master Fader was SSl 4000, Nomad Factory Tape Simulator, Uad Fairchild. On the Trumpet track, Wave Noise Gate, Uad Dream Verb, La2a, Sonalksis EQ,and 5th Nomad Factory Tape Simulator
I used a Byer 201 my snare mic through a TL Audio Pre Amp to record the Trumpet track.The tracks were Trumpet only and IK Philharmonic Piano or Stings ect. Just a couple tracks per song. Tan Tan I'll try the C1-SC. Thanks

Well let me tell you chaining plugs in the DAW World is the key to a fater and warmer sound if done right. Saturation thats what Analog gear Dose and when you chain the right plugs you distort in a nice way and yes the TRUMPET SOUNDS NATURAL WARMER BRASSY ect.
Thanks
billy

[mixerguy]

the right mic in the right place, the right pre, NO PLUGS.

[Jay Kahrs]

Originally Posted by billydrummerboy

Thanks for your responce
In the mix the chain of plugs I used last night on the master Fader was SSl 4000, Nomad Factory Tape Simulator, Uad Fairchild. On the Trumpet track, Wave Noise Gate, Uad Dream Verb, La2a, Sonalksis EQ,and 5th Nomad Factory Tape Simulator

That's a whooooooole lotta stuff...

[PhilE]

Hmmm- closeish LD dynamic, ribbon or LD condensor room a little Phoenix comp and a natural reverb to help dependant on the room. EQ to fit the track.
Tips? I dunno- I don't think I have any for anything- I have things I probably always do but I'm damned if I think about 'em enough to know- oooh I always HPF stuff

[henryrobinett]

Originally Posted by Jay Kahrs

That's a whooooooole lotta stuff...

Whew! No kidding. A whole lot more than I'd use, especialy if you want "TRUMPET SOUNDS NATURAL WARMER BRASSY ect."

YMMV of course! - and does.

[ArcCirDude]

Hey! I know this one!!!

Whatever genre:
Ribbon mic! Royer, Coles, RCA, AEA, whatever. Preamp: High gain, low distortion. Whatever... I like my true systems and Liquid Channel (Shut up...it's got 80db of clean gain.. And it was free...).

Section:
Have the section play together in the same room, preferably one of decent size. The sound of a trumpet needs space to "bloom". I stand 4-6 feet away on stuff written over the staff. Bleed through? OK! Often on the drier side of the reverb spectrum because you want detail and punch here and not a washed out mess. Dynamics are usually more limited here on pop/rock/funk stuff (Read: LOUD!), so you really don't need dynamics control if you have your levels dialed in properly. Classical section? Good hall (A real one or your Altiverb on mixdown), mic, preamp, tape.

Solo:
Reverb: Basically give it what the song dictates. Sometimes a nice hall. Sometimes nothing at all. Usually somewhere in between. I, personally, am a fan of tape delay. (Think "Papa was a Rollin" Stone".) For more "out" stuff, listen to the Brecker Bros. early releases and the flangers and auto-wah stuff Randy was using. Miles used a wah-wah pedal a great deal in the early 70's. Psychedelic.

[uncle duncan]

Listen to some old Motown tracks. No wait! They didn't use plugs in those days. But they were going to tape, so perhaps the tape plug would apply. The thing is, if you over-process the track, you've just turned a live instrument into a vanilla synth sound. Perhaps just save yourself the trouble and use a synthesizer next time.

[billydrummerboy]

Hey Wait
The Thing is! It dose not sound Synthy, I picked up Mix it like a record and there is certian things that you do in a chain that works in the DAW world to bring it to a analog state Charlies Dye uses more plugs then my G5 could ever handle, but I learned a few routing tips with "plugs plugs Plugs" I'm not saying if you have the best of the best Analog stuff plugs rule, but plugs are your Tools IN THE DAW WORLD I have a friend with a Neve Board, Nice mics. Nice pre's ect. and my stuff sounds fuller warmer and more seperation Now some would say he dose not know what he is doing. Rooms Make a big Difference! Ok what I'm saying is, It realy works to bring your DAW MIX TO A HIGHER LEVEL
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billy