New Eventide H8000!

[AudioGaff]

New Eventide H8000...
http://www.eventide.com/profaud/h8000.htm

[DanV]

sweet, maybe this will lower the price on the orville just enough......

[Paul Turpin]

Looks cool..whats the damage?

[deft_bonz]

Originally posted by danv1983
sweet, maybe this will lower the price on the orville just enough......

i'm hoping this too.

a new orville for 4k$

regards deft:::

[effectsnut]

Originally posted by danv1983
sweet, maybe this will lower the price on the orville just enough......

they dont consider this an orville replacement so dont count on it.
Ray Maxwell told me that their will be a software update for the orville that has all the extra presets form the h8000.except for
the surround algorithms. the orville was designed to run these super algorithms that require 2 dsp's and it will on the next OS update...yeee haaa

[AudioGaff]

Did Ray mention what the timeline was for the next OS release?

[effectsnut]

no he didnt but the h8000 is officially out in november so
i hope around that time..

[effectsnut]

i also wanted to point out that the h8000 only has 2 analogue
ins and outs and 8 aes ebu digital ins and outs

[Paul Turpin]

who needs analog i/o anymore????

[effectsnut]

Originally posted by Paul Turpin
who needs analog i/o anymore????

well sometimes the effects of ad/da can be quite favorable..

[DaveJes1979]

they dont consider this an orville replacement so dont count on it

What???!! So the Orville isn't obsolete???

Darn. I guess I shouldn't have put my Orville through the wood chipper yesterday, then.

[effectsnut]

my h8000 should be in next week.. anybody need an orville

[RobertS2003]

I as well was told by Ray Maxwell that the Orville was not being replaced by the H8000. As well there would be an upgrade path for Orville owners which would require the Orville to be sent to Eventide.
Robert

[effectsnut]

Originally posted by RobertS2003
I as well was told by Ray Maxwell that the Orville was not being replaced by the H8000. As well there would be an upgrade path for Orville owners which would require the Orville to be sent to Eventide.
Robert

you only have to send the orville if its an older model. the newer models coming from eventide are already set for an os update.
its a word clock thing..

[RobertS2003]

That seems weird that it is just an OS update. Ray knew I had a brand new unit. As well Audiogaff mentioned he talked to someone at Eventide that said the DSP chips were a little heftier than the DSPs in the ORville. So I guess the question is ..Are the DSP chips faster in the H8000? And was there a change in DSP chips in different ORville models?

[effectsnut]

Originally posted by RobertS2003
That seems weird that it is just an OS update. Ray knew I had a brand new unit. As well Audiogaff mentioned he talked to someone at Eventide that said the DSP chips were a little heftier than the DSPs in the ORville. So I guess the question is ..Are the DSP chips faster in the H8000? And was there a change in DSP chips in different ORville models?

i dont think i misunderstood him. he told me they have the same dsp engines.. i should have my h8000 next week. i will ask more questions at eventide then and let you know,,ok

[faeflora]

The H8K chips are about twice as powerful. 1 orville = 2 H8K regarding dsp.

Orville upgrade for hardware costs $1000.

[effectsnut]

Originally posted by faeflora
The H8K chips are about twice as powerful. 1 orville = 2 H8K regarding dsp.

Orville upgrade for hardware costs $1000.

where did you hear that? thats not what ray maxwell told me on the phone...i'll call him monday

[doug_hti]

theoretically, they are about 35% more powerful, as the chips clock speed was raised slightly. This is 1st hand information from a friend who talked to Eventide last Thursday.

Now a preset may be twice as powerful utilizing both DSPs for one preset....

[faeflora]

If I'm wrong, sorry!

[effectsnut]

Originally posted by doug_hti
theoretically, they are about 35% more powerful, as the chips clock speed was raised slightly. This is 1st hand information from a friend who talked to Eventide last Thursday.

Now a preset may be twice as powerful utilizing both DSPs for one preset....

yes, that's what it is..i recently bought an orville and ray told me that my orville(being new)aready had the clock speed raised.
i'll just need the software.. so if you have an older model you
will need to send it to eventide to have the dsp chips tweeked.
its the same dsp chips both models.. its kind of funny italo on yahoo eventidehelps group wont let anybody know its the same dsp chip they keep boasting its more powerfull than the orville.
i wish they could be upfront..

[AudioGaff]

I'll bet that the new Orville's are now using the same newer version of DSP chips that are in H8000. Thus allowing the OS upgrade. It is the older Orville's that will be different and need hardware as well as OS upgrade. There are features/functions on the newer version DSP chips that are not on the older ones that make the monolithic architecture possible.

[faeflora]

Welcome to the machine! Eventide has done it, once again!

The H8000 continues the award winning "open platform" architecture, inaugurated by Eventide in the early '90s with the legendary DSP4000, and expanded to tremendous power on the dual dsp equipped Orville, the multichannel flagship presented to the audio world in 1999.



The new Eventide flagship unit is built on our traditional hi-quality tech standards: audio conversion is 24 bit, while sampling frequency peaks at 96 KHz. Internal data processing is run at 56 bit.

The unit offers 2 separated DSPs, with 8 channels I/Os each. that's double than Orville!

Connection to the outside world is achieved via 8 channels of AES/EBU and ADAT, plus a stereo S/PDIF connector and 2 analog balanced XLR I/Os.





The unit features a new search engine that allows to locate/group presets by different categories, including searching criteria like fx tipology, sound sources, number of inputs and/or outputs and many others. The user is also enabled to create personal "usergroups" of presets, available for midi program changes recall.

The unique "Anything-to-Anything" routing capability boosts applications flexibility beyond imagination. You can connect many different sources to the unit and select the processing paths and fx to be used on each of them. You can even store complete H8000 setups and routings, from simple to complex, within the unit ram memory or on a convenient Pcmcia ram card, you can take anywhere in the world, to an H8000 equipped facility.





H8000 expands the notion of Multi-Channel processing and introduces 5.1 reverbs and effects in the Eventide products line.

Thanks to Monolithic TandemT mode, which allows one large algorithm to run using the two DSP chips, providing the user with maximum horsepower for huge, complex fx processing, the H8000 offers the largest preset library ever created for a processor on the market. In the 1500 factory presets we have included the Legacy of the best Eventide algorithms, including UltraShifterT, our most natural-sounding, formant-corrected pitch changer, optimized for voice, which includes automatic pitch correction.

We couldn't just stop here.so we have crafted over 80 new surround 5.1 presets featuring reverbs, pitch shifters, choruses, flangers, delays, compressors and equalizers. These presets feature a higly simplified and friendly user interface, very intuitive for your personal tweaks.

We have created collections of past years classic units replicas, including "vintage" delays, reverbs and modulation boxes.

Stereo reverbs have been re-designed to the best new standards, taking advantage of the huge power provided by the 2 DSPs.

Multi-Channel processing has been taken to the extreme! The new Dual Machines, Multiple Machines and Virtual Racks presets banks offers tremendous power and never previously matched flexibility.

Imagine having 2, 3 or even 4 mono, stereo or combos of machines in a single preset. Imagine using 2 of these presets in the 2 indipendent DSPs, to process a group of different audio sources, as you would do with a rack array of boxes! Such is the power of the H8000.





H8000 features Midi Clock, BPM and Tap Tempo sync-able delay times, lfo rates and reverb decays and can generate midi clock too! In addition to 43 seconds delay on each DSP, H8000 offers a highly versatile and realtime editable 174 seconds (mono) sampler, with high quality pitch change and time compression on playback, available on DSP A.



Extensive remote control. Every parameter can be controlled from MIDI and 2 externals footpedals or 6 footswitches or combinations of them.

The unit will benefit from software upgrades, available over the Internet.



H8000 is fully supported by Eventide VSIGFILE T, PC Graphic Editor/Algorithm Development Tool, available for download from our website. If you want to further customize a factory algorithm or have a burning desire for creative sound design, VSIG will be your tool to build the algorithms for your dream sounds! Its "object oriented" GUI allows you to actually create new algorithmic structures, using the internal software modules, a stunning collection of hundreds of effects building blocks.

The editor is a great presets backup tool too! You'll be able to store your tweaks and personal creations on your hard drive. even for email exchange.

Pcmcia ram cards can store hundreds of presets you'll be able to take anywhere, with you, in your pocket!

[faeflora]

These new structures introduce surround ambience in Eventide FX processors line.

A description of the algorithms and their parameters functions is your first step to learning the basic of these powerful tools, in order to get the very best from them. We have provided slightly different versions of these algorithms, to accommodate processing_ at 48 and 96KHz sampling frequencies.

Yes, the H8000 can do 5.1 reverb @ 96 KHz ! !



Stereo or Surround ambience and reverbs in digital processors are generally to be considered a combination of 2 main processing networks:

-Early Reflections Delays and Diffusers

-Reverb





In depth:



Early Reflections are very short delays that try to simulate the reflections of_ walls, floor and ceiling of a specific environment. Often they are matched to filters to recreate the tonal qualities of the different materials these surfaces are made of.

Diffusers are even shorter delays networks that create a dense field of repeats. This cluster of small delays simulates the first echoes build-up density. A high setting of Diffusion will result in a dense build-up, with smeared delays. A lower setting will provide more distinct delays. Diffusion directly controls all the Diffuser internal delays feedbacks. This parameter is affected by the Diffusers Size parameter, which scales up or down all its internal delays times.

A low Size and high Diffusion settings will provide nice small environments dense diffusion, while the inverse scenario would simulate huge spaces better.



A good starting point in creating YOUR spaces is to, first, adjust Size and Diffusion, as they will define it more than other parameters. Early Reflections then define position, reflective qualities of the space and shape of it. Tweaking their hicut filters will provide a further nice touch to your work. Last, adjust your reverb decay and filters, in search of the next great verb!











We have created 2 different I/O structures:



2_5.1 Diffusers or Reverbs

5.1____ Diffusers or Reverbs



The difference is that version 2_5.1 creates a surround ambience from a stereo (2 inputs) audio source, while the 5.1 version is a full blown 6 inputs/outputs structure, to be used with audio sources being recorded in that way.



Here are important details you should know:



Routing the inputs and outputs channels is a very important detail to work with these presets.

When using a 5.1 I/O structure, please always refer to the following inputs and outputs assignments:



I/O 5.1 standard configuration


Input 1 > Front LEFT Channel

Input 2 > Front RIGHT Channel
Input 3 > Front CENTER Channel

Input 4 > LFE Channel

Input 5 > Surround LEFT Channel

Input 6 > Surround RIGHT Channel



H8000 DSPs inputs & outputs are connected to hardware inputs & outputs in this way.



Input Trim
A channel dedicated input level, this Trim helps taking control on very hot incoming signals. Use the H8000 LEDs to monitor audio and use these trimmers accordingly.



Phantom Speaker
Available in the 5.1 I/O algorithms only, this switch enables the traditional stereo "phantom speaker" by removing the center channel from the center speaker, redirecting it to the front left and right speakers. When set to OFF, you will listen to a full 5.1 mix; if set to ON, the resulting 4.1 is what you'll get, with stereo placement of the center channel audio source in the front left & right speakers.



Gain
This is a very useful level gain, placed at the end of the algorithm. Use it to push the output level or to recover level loss caused by necessary severe input trim or by low level input. Up to 12dB are provided here.



Control Switches
Each channel has an output switch. Here you can set it ON or OFF, for convenient testing & monitoring tasks.



Size

This is a very important parameter. It controls a great numbers of parameters ! ! !

Its main function is to scale Diffusers delays times, which are always hidden to the user. We have set__ and tweaked their values as we think they can be generally useful. You will have access to them if you desire to get into deeper programming, using our VSIGFILE Windows PC Graphical Editor.



Size does also control:

Early Reflections Delays

Early Reflections Hicuts
Diffusion

Scaler
Post Diffusion Early Reflections Delays

Post Diffusion Early Reflections Delays Hicuts

Basically, by selecting different Size values (Booth - Small Room - Med Room - Alley Slap - Stage - Reflections), you will also change all those mentioned parameters, according to our programmers tweaks.

We thought that many of You, the most expert or adventurous ones, would love to enter their values for those Size controlled parameters. We made this possible ! ! !

You can type in your E/R Delays, Hicuts, Diffusion, Scaler and Post Diff delays & Hicuts values. The preset will remember them and you can even store the preset with your custom settings.

Scrolling Size thru its values will allow you to actually see all those remoted parameters values, being the factory defaults or your personal choices.



The advantage of this approach is to provide you, the final user, a well crafted, good sounding collection of presets and the possibility to customize them as well. A mix of_ "closed & open" philosophy that can be taken to extreme customization with VSIGFILE.

Do you need to use Vsig?_ No, you don't! There's enough power, craft, tweaking and "embedded " freedom to use or customize all these 5.1 reverbs.

Your Size knob will switch between 6 different spaces. It's like having 6 presets in a single one.

Imagine how easy will be to remote changes within the same preset, by simply controlling the Size parameter, with the H8000 knob or any hardware or midi controller !



Scaler
As already mentioned, the Diffusers internal delays are controlled by the Size and are always hidden to the user; you don't actually see them on the display.

Nevertheless, sometimes your good ear will suggest you to further adjust those internal delays. we know you are always searching for that "great" sound, aren't you?

Well, one more example of openess in a preset structure, Scaler will help you "shrink or expand" those internal delays at your will. Since it's also remoted by Size, you'll be able to tweak and fine tune each preset to surgical details and store them.

Once recalled, your custom presets will remember 6 tweaks within itself.

Clever!



Other examples of this approach are Front & Surround_ Reverb Decays and Levels;

The Front parameters controls the Surround ones, which are offset by factory defaults values. You can actually adjust the Surround parameters yourself, changing their values from tha ones remoted by the Front counterparts.

[faeflora]

The luxury of having 8 digital I/Os and 2 powerful DSPs has boosted our imagination. We wanted to give you, the final user, a level of flexibility and variety of applications never previously available in any fx processor.



Let's start with the DUAL MACHINES (#1010 > #1035) presets.

Here you tipically get two full blown stereo processors in a single preset; it's like having 2 separated, dedicated, indipendent fx unit in one display screen. These new algorithms feature 6 voices modulatable delay lines, 4 voices filtered band delays, Vintage sounding dual ducking delays processed through phaser, classic Eventide modulatable micropitch shifters, 4 voice Diatonic shifters, Stereo detuners, multi-voice filtered delays, Dytronics "Dyno-My-Piano" Vintage chorus replica, Dual 2 tap delays, more Vintage units lush chorus and flangers replicas, AMS style shifters/delays, ambience, hall, plate, inverse and chamber reverbs. even a full vocals channel strip with compression, eq, micropitch thickener, early reflections and reverb.

The bank offers different combinations of pairs of these algorithms, providing extremely useful tools for any tracking or FoH processing task, from complete modulation or delays suites to dual reverbs for piano and vocals, or drums and snare treatments, delays and reverbs, delays and choruses. All delay times, modulation rates and reverb decays can be easily synced to the beat, using T_delay/rate/decay values, useful rhythmic subdivisions that allow you to play with the song tempo, creating time locked echoes, chorus, tremolo, flanger, reverb tails.or polyrhythmic variations of them. Tap tempo, BPM or Midi Clock will keep everything in perfect sync here.

Dual Machines use 4 inputs and outputs for each preset. You'll be able to load two of these presets and run a monster rack of fx thru your mixing board Auxes or your Protools HD virtual "inserts" !!



Could we be happy with this?

No! We had to push on.

MULTIPLE MACHINES (#3210 > #3221). sheer power taken to the extreme! Expanding the concept of Dual Machines, here we added more algorithms, expanding the palette of colors for you to choice and taking the number of available "processors" to 3 or even 4.in a single preset!! Yes, you are reading correctly.

These monsters use 6 or 8 inputs/outputs to provide you the definitive rack of dreams.

What about 4 mono compressors feeding 4 3Bands parametric equalizers and two sets of stereo Vintage sounding ducking delays? Or A stereo pitch shifter > stereo compressor > reverb, in parallel to a vintage stereo chorus.and another parallel dynamic "undulator".from the classic H3000?

Suites of Band delays + filtered delays + Vintage ducking modulatable delays in a single preset.multi-voice diatonic shifter, vintage delays and reverb, H3000 micropitch + classic '80s_ digital reverb + auto-panning delay.and more.and more. we have got you covered! Hook up the H8000 to your mixing board or digital workstation and you'll hear no compromise, top-notch quality for an unique ears experience.

Process your full band through 2 of these presets.for a monster 8 stereo machines rack!

Run guitar through the Vintage ducking moddelays, vocals thru the micropitch shifter, snare drum through plate reverb and sax thru compressor>eq>Delay..and still have processing resources available.maybe for an overall reverb to process the whole mix.



VIRTUAL RACKS (#6610 > #6629)

4 accurate replicas of vintage pitch shifters, delays, modulators and reverbs. often coupled to compression, in series or parallel routings; the series racks also offer midi on/off switching already bult in.

Here you get a library of presets offering the classic guitar, vocals, drums, samples processing, percussions, keyboards effects from the last 25 years! If you heard it in a record, you'll hear it here, in the Virtual Racks.





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H8000 REVERBS (#4210 > #4237)



Stereo Reverb.a classic, taken to the next step!

We spent hours, days .building these new structures. We sat down testing these new reverbs through severe listening tests, using a great variety of sound sources, both musical and from "real-life". from a Bosendorfer piano to a thunderstorm, to a Gregorian choir of monks.. Reflections delays and echoes with and without feedback are a great tool to help building the feeling of space around the audio source; diffusion creates different "densities" and reverb tails provide the magic. within and post-reverb filters shape the tone!

We tweaked these structures for weeks, being maniacs, reverb-addicts! You get awesome Eventide hall, plate, chamber, room, gated, inverse, post processed, ambience reverbs painstakingly tuned on piano, vocals, choirs, drums, snare, brass, strings, harp, sax. an amazing collection that will surprise you. Listen to the Eventide reverb for a treat!__