Using the same reverb for vocals and drums?

Coldsnow · 1st July 2006, 02:13 PM

Hi,
If on a song you are mixing, you happen to like the same reverb patch for both vocals and drums from the same unit, what do you all think about using the same unit for both?

Nutmeg II. · 1st July 2006, 03:09 PM

If it works it ...

Sometimes it doesn't, because you want the drums hit the unit hotter than the vocals, but you want more vocal reverb.

So it depents, like all the topics that are asked around here.

max cooper · 1st July 2006, 03:09 PM

Maybe to add to this question, if you had a reverb on a vocal, and a reverb on a drumset and you summed them all, would you get the same thing as summing the drumkit and vocal and then running them thru the reverb?

Does the fact that they're going thru the 'verb separately vs. together make the total reverb output different?

Nutmeg II. · 1st July 2006, 03:10 PM

P.S.: Just don't let the producer know that the vocals and drums share the same reverb!

Nutmeg II. · 1st July 2006, 03:12 PM

Shit!
Juat another p.s.: you could ad a delay on one of the signals on the way in to change the feel of the placement (put thevocals more upfront...).

And you also could eq the the sends differently.

warhead · 1st July 2006, 10:57 PM

I use the same verb for snare and vocals very often.

War

FossilTooth · 1st July 2006, 11:06 PM

When I use altiverb ITB, Yes. I'll specifically find a space that'll work for both, often ignoring spaces that do wonders on one but not the other.

It's a shame. Some box mixes, I just can't run more than one altiverb without crashing all over the place.....

But one good Altiverb preset sounds better than a dozen slaved-over instances of Rverb and the like. (Don't get me started on Reverb One! Yuck!)

I'm obviouly on a native system most of the time that I'm ITB.

-Justin

auralerogeny · 2nd July 2006, 12:20 AM

If you like it and it sounds good on both, then that's fine. There is no law saying you have to use different settings for each track. Maybe get someone else to listen to them though. A second set of ears can save a lot of time. The key is how they sound together, it may sound more natural with both using the same reverb, like they were recorded in the same "hall." It may not. Listen.

thethrillfactor · 2nd July 2006, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldsnow

Hi,
If on a song you are mixing, you happen to like the same reverb patch for both vocals and drums from the same unit, what do you all think about using the same unit for both?

Why not just buy 2 of the same units?

That way you can tweak each to tailor the sound.

jenkel16 · 2nd July 2006, 04:13 AM

or print the drum verb and tweak it for the vocal. I don't think there is anything wrong with using the same verb for a number of things, drums and vocal, guitar and flute. If it sounds good use it.

Steve G · 2nd July 2006, 06:46 AM

Do what ever sounds right. I'm sure we can all list a ton of great sounding records that used only one plate or one chamber. Usually the less options you give yourself, the better the result. Try putting up one short verb and one longer verb, and mix a whole song with just those. You might be surprised with the results.

Steve

Matt Grondin · 2nd July 2006, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

Why not just buy 2 of the same units?

That way you can tweak each to tailor the sound.

$'s, that's why :)

Bigbang · 2nd July 2006, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Why not just buy 2 of the same units?

That way you can tweak each to tailor the sound.

The Lexicon 480L, Roland R-880 and the Publison Infernal Machine 90 have dual engines; one price, two reverbs.

thethrillfactor · 2nd July 2006, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dobby12

$'s, that's why :)

That's never held a true Gearslut back.

Heck i have my own little "Noah's Ark" collection of outboard gear.

2 of each of my favorites.

Never want to have that feeling during mix where you go "damn i wish i had another X right now".

thethrillfactor · 2nd July 2006, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigbang

The Lexicon 480L, Roland R-880 and the Publison Infernal Machine 90 have dual engines; one price, two reverbs.

The only problem is that they only have 2 inputs.

So no true dual stereo.

Also some of the best reverbs use both of the engines at the same time.

Sqye · 2nd July 2006, 05:59 PM

who uses verb on both vocals AND drums simultaneously, anyway?

Coldsnow · 2nd July 2006, 07:48 PM

Me. I almost always use reverb on vocals and snare drum.

squeegybug · 3rd July 2006, 01:01 AM

Or print both to separate stereo-or-mono tracks and EQ/comp/delay/pan to taste. I've been reworking a mix using two different reverbs (not snare though) and keep coming back to the original that used a single reverb as my preference. And a cheaper one at that.

I like to reverse polarity on one channel sometimes. Except for losing it if going to mono, this can really open things up.

Whatever...

Steve

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1st July 2006, 02:13 PM	#1
Coldsnow Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 568	Using the same reverb for vocals and drums? Hi, If on a song you are mixing, you happen to like the same reverb patch for both vocals and drums from the same unit, what do you all think about using the same unit for both?

1st July 2006, 03:09 PM	#2
Nutmeg II. Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: GEARmany Posts: 897	If it works it ... Sometimes it doesn't, because you want the drums hit the unit hotter than the vocals, but you want more vocal reverb. So it depents, like all the topics that are asked around here. __________________ "Any recording engineer who uses a tube U47 is obviously not a professional" Stephan Temmer 1979

1st July 2006, 03:10 PM	#4
Nutmeg II. Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: GEARmany Posts: 897	P.S.: Just don't let the producer know that the vocals and drums share the same reverb! __________________ "Any recording engineer who uses a tube U47 is obviously not a professional" Stephan Temmer 1979

1st July 2006, 03:12 PM	#5
Nutmeg II. Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: GEARmany Posts: 897	Shit! Juat another p.s.: you could ad a delay on one of the signals on the way in to change the feel of the placement (put thevocals more upfront...). And you also could eq the the sends differently. __________________ "Any recording engineer who uses a tube U47 is obviously not a professional" Stephan Temmer 1979

1st July 2006, 03:09 PM	#3
max cooper Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: tx Posts: 8,819	Maybe to add to this question, if you had a reverb on a vocal, and a reverb on a drumset and you summed them all, would you get the same thing as summing the drumkit and vocal and then running them thru the reverb? Does the fact that they're going thru the 'verb separately vs. together make the total reverb output different?

1st July 2006, 10:57 PM	#6
warhead Jai guru deva om Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 7,968	I use the same verb for snare and vocals very often. War __________________ Warren Dent Email: warren (at) frontendaudio (dot) com Front End Audio Sells Gear Tuesday Testers: Hear the Gear Shootouts Product Videos on YouTube: Overviews of Gear

1st July 2006, 11:06 PM	#7
FossilTooth Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 883	When I use altiverb ITB, Yes. I'll specifically find a space that'll work for both, often ignoring spaces that do wonders on one but not the other. It's a shame. Some box mixes, I just can't run more than one altiverb without crashing all over the place..... But one good Altiverb preset sounds better than a dozen slaved-over instances of Rverb and the like. (Don't get me started on Reverb One! Yuck!) I'm obviouly on a native system most of the time that I'm ITB. -Justin

2nd July 2006, 12:20 AM	#8
auralerogeny Gear Head Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Raliegh, NC Posts: 48	If you like it and it sounds good on both, then that's fine. There is no law saying you have to use different settings for each track. Maybe get someone else to listen to them though. A second set of ears can save a lot of time. The key is how they sound together, it may sound more natural with both using the same reverb, like they were recorded in the same "hall." It may not. Listen.

2nd July 2006, 04:13 AM	#10
jenkel16 Gear nut Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 116	or print the drum verb and tweak it for the vocal. I don't think there is anything wrong with using the same verb for a number of things, drums and vocal, guitar and flute. If it sounds good use it.

2nd July 2006, 06:46 AM	#11
Steve G Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA Posts: 219	Do what ever sounds right. I'm sure we can all list a ton of great sounding records that used only one plate or one chamber. Usually the less options you give yourself, the better the result. Try putting up one short verb and one longer verb, and mix a whole song with just those. You might be surprised with the results. Steve

2nd July 2006, 05:59 PM	#16
Sqye Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: undergound railroad Posts: 5,801	who uses verb on both vocals AND drums simultaneously, anyway? __________________ Sqye (sky) *wired planet new music CREDITS link directly above ipod player *wired planet *fallen planet "he who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death" .... Thomas Paine

2nd July 2006, 07:48 PM	#17
Coldsnow Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 568	Me. I almost always use reverb on vocals and snare drum.

3rd July 2006, 01:01 AM	#18
squeegybug Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Missouri USA Posts: 1,976	Or print both to separate stereo-or-mono tracks and EQ/comp/delay/pan to taste. I've been reworking a mix using two different reverbs (not snare though) and keep coming back to the original that used a single reverb as my preference. And a cheaper one at that. I like to reverse polarity on one channel sometimes. Except for losing it if going to mono, this can really open things up. Whatever... Steve

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