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Screamo Vocals

Anyone here do alot of Screamo bands?
I have one coming in mid july to track a record.
I've recorded some bands with screaming, but this is %90 screaming, a tiny bit of singing.
What is your typical vocal chain? Do I leave the high end condensors in the mic closet for this one?

Mics I have are:
Blueberry
AKG 414
SM 57/58
EV PL 20
Audix D4

DBX 160 VU compressor
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A lot of people are going to say use the dynamic. If you find the right condenser mic, it's golden. You'll hear all the 'depth' and air in the throat that the dynamics will smooth over. I've recorded a lot of metal and punk, find mic that isn't too sensitive (usually less than 12 millivolts) or too bright. I'd try the 414 first and see how it goes, I'll bet $.002 the Blueberry will not work.
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Would it be possible to use a condensor on the singing parts and a dynamic for the rest? That'd probably yield some pretty good results.

Get an SM7!
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At the studio I assist at we do alot of screamo/ hardcore/ metalcore ( ) where a nice chunk of the vocals are screamed. We've been having good luck with an SM-7 with plenty of compression after it. So I would have to say go for the dynamic mic too. The screamers also seem more comfortable too when they have a mic they can hold. -Marty
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Hey Matt good to see you here.

I am doing a Screamo band right now and I have been having good luck with SM7>Great River Pre>DBX160x. I tried 414 TLII and the TLM103 but the trusty SM7 won out.

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I'd try the SM 57 as well. thumbsup
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Not in your collection but a ribbon mic (with pop shield) can work if all you are getting on an SM58 is some tinny, thin - strangled mess...
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I mixed some tracks a couple of years ago that had the singer "singing" into a condenser (they used an M49) on the calmer-toned verses, but for the energy in the choruses (big and aggrivated), the performances were made a ton better by giving the singer an SM58.

This is what he was used to from performing live, and it gave him some tangible object to focus into -- he was able to grip and clench the body of the mic with both hands, spit into it and slobber all over it, bend over and sing towards the floor in emotional anguish, whip his hair around and all those other delightful, wonderful and charming things that go into a vocal of this type

... and you know what? It worked like gangbusters. Very nice.

So, my advice? Think less vainly about the 'sound' and more about what you can do to enable the kind of performance that'll make it great.

FWIW.

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This is what he was used to from performing live, and it gave him some tangible object to focus into -- he was able to grip and clench the body of the mic with both hands, spit into it and slobber all over it, bend over and sing towards the floor in emotional anguish, whip his hair around and all those other delightful, wonderful and charming things that go into a vocal of this type

... and you know what? It worked like gangbusters. Very nice.

So, my advice? Think less vainly about the 'sound' and more about what you can do to enable the kind of performance that'll make it great.

FWIW.

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True dat.

It all depends on the singer though. That's the piss of it. but probably your best bet is the 58.

It depends a lot on the singer's actual style, too. The tricky ones are where they really ramp up the harshness like GlassJaw or even the Used. It's easier if it's sing, scream, sing, scream, yada yada yada just switching back and forth like verses and choruses, etc. because otherwise you really have to watch your gain. And I mean riding faders, compression isn't going to do it.

Unless your talent is talented, then they control their own dynamics and know how to work a mic and you're good.
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There isn't an ideal mic for Screamo.


They haven't yet made a mic with a projectile gag.


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Thanks guys, great responces.
I think I will get two mics for my studio.
An SM 7 (Want it for the rappers too!) and a ribbon mic.
Whats a decent ribbon mic between 3-5 bills?
The ones talked about here are over a g, don't have it right now.
I was thinking about a condesor on the clean but to be honest, its more like %97.5 screaming on this one, h@!~
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Simple set up

Lets see...
Within the last few months I've had in here doing vocals;

Bleeding Through

Cradle of Filth

Dry Kill Logic......


Vox chain went something like this....
Either a U-87,
a Geffel 170,
or Sm-7........... into UA 2108 into a Daking 91579 comp/limiter to recorder.

Simple!

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Cradle Of Filth, Cool.
Heard alot of the screamo bands in here talking about them.
Gotta brush up on some of these bands.
Thanks for the tips!

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Lets see...
Within the last few months I've had in here doing vocals;

Bleeding Through

Cradle of Filth

Dry Kill Logic......


Vox chain went something like this....
Either a U-87,
a Geffel 170,
or Sm-7........... into UA 2108 into a Daking 91579 comp/limiter to recorder.

Simple!

Paul
www.millbrooksoundstudios.com
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