maybe for my 12 year old niece who is just learning to be a slut
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Im not an Admin on GS (GearSLUTZ), but I kindly request you have some respect and consideration for this forum, women and minors and refrain from these choices of words (SLUT). Thanks.
Im not an Admin on GS, but I kindly request you have some respect and consideration for this forum, women and minors and refrain from these choices of words. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by mike vee View Post
"maybe for my 12 year old niece who is just learning to be a [deleted by mod]..."
I just want to play devils advocate here for a second. While I wouldn't have posted sentiments of this kind, I don't "necessarily" see this post 'disrespectful' or 'inconsiderate'. As a father of two young children and another one on the way, I feel this has to be said at times. Sometimes we all just need a little "slap in the face" as a wake up call. I really think we have a responsibility since we are grooming the "role models" of the future.
I live right near a high school and Junior high school and can't believe the way these kids dress/talk/behave these days. The reality is the music industry (pop and Hip Hop in particular) is "pimping" our young girls > soon to be women and mothers. Sex sells right? It's really sad & shocking...some of the conversations I overhear when I'm commuting to work in the morning on the train.
These young girls (and boys) are singing the lyrics to these "sexually charged" songs and it's starting to creep into their everyday vernacular and behavior. Once the mind is poisoned...the body soon follows. How should we expect our young (hormonal) boys to react when everything is pretty much on display? Sometimes I feel embarrassed for them. I'm talking about as young as 11-12yrs old. Please don't misunderstand me...the boys are just as bad. These "Nice" kids come and park in front of my house and smoke tons of pot and throw their "Micky D's" wrappers on the ground right in the front. And I live in a very nice neighborhood so I'm sure its worse in areas where there is less communal supervision. Makes me sad for their future as a parent...
Sorry for the OT rant.
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Well now it's a race between you and me to get down to the Library of Congress and see who can copyright the alphabet first!! I am going to own the alphabet! I'll sue you and force you to stop writing your bullshit posts with MY alphabet.
But I know what you mean. The guy does have an uncanny ability to make an infectious pop song.
Yea he's very talented and I know I'm not the target audience but she sounds like every other female "rapper" cut from the Disney cloth. People in here are saying she'll be huge LOL. Nope. She'll be marginal at best.
My main point is how can dude, as a musician, live with himself perpetuating the same boring sound? You can even see the look of apathy on his face. The "yea yea this will make money but meh" look. No doubt pre-teen's taste will change from the Kesha formula. He has plenty of money to take risks at this point and you know...actually do something great and timeless.
Anyway...im just talking. Riding off into the sunset with a few mil in the bank is not a bad alternative.
Anyway...im just talking. Riding off into the sunset with a few mil in the bank is not a bad alternative.
Well said. Hopefully some of these bitching and moaning folks would wake up to the sunrise and get the fact that Luke still is a great musician. He probably could jam out most of the cats. He has nothing to prove on that end. He is just doing business creating and selling product. Music happens to be the industry he is familiar with.
That segment of the market is huge, and unless you have kids, you have no idea. There are different markets all over the world, you need to choose one, and bring what they expect.
Don't let Becky G's age and stature fool you. The pocket-sized teenager from southern California is reaching for the top and might get there sooner than anyone thinks, thanks to her precocious work ethic and supportive and talented family.
This music is not for the enjoyment of grown up men and women. It's created for consumer-culture children, isn't it?
It's fun and young and virtually artless, unless you're talking about post-modernism, then it's ground breaking stuff!
This music is temporal and virtually dead the day after it's released.
I pity children that can only access music of this type for entertainment.
The music's central voice and themes are mainly concerned with consumerism and banal relationship observations. Luckily, not all children are tricked into this mirage. Hey, my ten year old's just getting into Thelonius, he found him on his own.
Children that are interested in music as an art-form will find centuries of music elsewhere. These children generally grow up with a broader knowledge of music, and life too.
If grown up men and woman seriously enjoy listening to this music, they must be virtually brain-dead on a musical level. Does this imply that the adult producers of this music are virtually brain-dead as well? Kind of, in a way. You'd need to be pretty "tolerant" (in an insane way) to listen to take after take, mix after mix of this.
To all of you responsible parents who worry about guys like me plooking your teenage spawn...
Just make sure she sounds like Becky G!!! Even if I wanted to defile her nubile and willing body I could not get past that nasally, whiny voice of hers.
Dr. Luke is a craptastic hack. If you idolize him, it better be for his bank account and not his music, because the "music" he makes is beyond shallow, plastic and stupid.
And if you make or consume this kind of music you're also... shallow, plastic and stupid. Of course that's just my subjective opinion...
I think this Bill Hicks video below sums up my feelings on this particular subject. Just replace Debbie Gibson and Tiffany with Becky G. and some other teenage trollop and there you go...
The PMC IB2SA & MB2S are clearly too large for that room, especially without bass trapping. I hope PMC didn't recommend them. He must be demoing. Serban's going to have to fix the low end back in Virginia.
You can tell all that from a short Youtube video?
I installed and tweaked those speakers for Luke along with my colleague in PMC. Luke demoed them extensively and had already demoed and chosen PMCs for his other room.
The IB2S are passives not the IB2S-A active model, the MB2-XBD are also passives. Both sets work very well in that space which is quite a bit bigger than it looks on the video. Luke likes to feel the low end when writing and tracking.
The MB2-XBD do not require a very large room to work effectively, Howie Weinberg is using the same rig to great effect in his mastering room which is smaller.
There's so much more I could say about this thread but I've been restraining myself until now. I will say Luke and his team are very smart people and a pleasure to work with, I have nothing but respect for the guy and his talent.
Sampler? lol.. we could also say that he 'uses' mpc as a sampler because that is what he 'used' when he was dj'ing around town. Perhaps you are confusing uses vs used? lol..
This Doctor can use whatever tools and medicines .. he certainly knows the right Fix/Mix
this is what i know about dr..luke
Does not use midi or soft synths. Prefers to record external synth audio and then mess with the wave patterns.
Uses Pro Tools as a sampler. Does a lot of cutting-up of notes and tunes/de-tunes as-needed.
Will sometimes manually adjust vocals to make them line up.
Uses a plug in called Vocal Ling that analyzes and lines up multiple vocal tracks.
Thinks Pro Tools is better than Logic for final product.
Uses a pre-fab master settings when in production, and sends off for proper mastering afterwards. Likes “smiley curve”, “L3 ultra” or “extreme analog” settings, and sometimes pulls the ceiling down.
Usually shies away from working with TV stars, since they can’t do time for promotions.
I can't believe this thread started from those two short videos with some comments that are rather... well, dirty exercises in freedom of speech, ehe... Some guys must really envy Dr.Luke...
I think you are missing some insights if reacting so bitter to what he does...
I love underground, classical, jazz, world, experimental music... but I recognized his uncanny talent for a superb HOOK and as someone said - infectious pop songs... too bad he is too formulaic - but at least he uses his own formulas - that he built from an intelligent synthesis of many things that were proven to work in pop music. He knows hook, he knows groove, he knows sex appeal (musically), he knows teen mind, knows how to tune into the flair of the moment, using old musical models and making them fresh, he understands the importance of positive "energy" or "vibe" of the "artist"... he is SMART.
I for one don't envy him, I could be like him, I think I understand rather well the way he thinks, if only I would be as talented.
And I think Katy Perry's Teenage Dream is a superbly crafted contemporary teen pop album. The vocal production on that thing is something to analyze and learn from. So many different layers of different timbres and vocal licks to evoke sexiness, teenage melodrama, fun time, sex, despair, love, feelings of being larger than life, etc. Sue me for a crazy comparison - but to me it is sort of a teenage pop version of vocal expressionism that Jeff Buckley delivered on "Grace" in a different style obviously and without so much help from production and engineering in Buckley's case of course.
Also the (not so) obvious musical quotations in many songs... freely appropriating others' musical ideas and integrating them into those songs in a fresh way. And no - not copying - using the knowledge why and how some things worked and doing something similar in your own way...
There is more intelligence at work here than you think. Such success as his doesn't come out of nothing. Being bitter about it is useless. You don't need to like it, but he knows what he is doing very well and in my book it is not "evil"
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Gotta love the way she says that they have to be sure she pronounces every word well, because it's important that people can understand what she says...
...I couldn't understand a single word she sang Whatever
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