Would you buy a Lexicon PCM-91 reverb if offered on a "Powercore/UAD-1 type" format?

[radiant]

I don't know about you but if Lexicon offered its PCM series reverbs as a software/hardware PCI or USB rack (ie Duende/TC Powercore/UAD-1) I would be all over it.

How about you guys?

[MDM]

hmmmmmm --- maybe ... not sure ... Powercores reverbs are great & then there's Space Designer and Altiverb

what would be REALLY nice would be the bigger series like 480 or 960 ... ! This I would buy right away...

[djwayne]

I'm in the process of discovering the Impule Reverb from SIR and Impules from Noisevault....it's pretty cool stuff, and free.

[radiant]

I've owned the PCM-60, 70, 80, & 90 and all I can say is that I miss them GREATLY. I'm all ITB now with 4 UAD-1 cards and 1 Powercore MkII. I'm looking at Duende as well, but if Lexicon offered a solution it would be a no brainer for me.

[djwayne]

Yes that Altiverb 5 sounds nice, but expensive.

[F5D]

Originally Posted by djwayne

I'm in the process of discovering the Impule Reverb from SIR and Impules from Noisevault....it's pretty cool stuff, and free.

Those impulse responses are usually way too short for my use.
I would really like to borrow a pcm91 for a weekend and sample some longer tails instead of some short 0.5-2.5 s ambience/room/hall presets. thumbsup

[djwayne]

Originally Posted by F5D

Those impulse responses are usually way too short for my use.
I would really like to borrow a pcm91 for a weekend and sample some longer tails instead of some short 0.5-2.5 s ambience/room/hall presets. thumbsup

I'm finding some fairly useful ones, and am impressed with some of the sounds I'm getting. I'm very interested in the various "Real Spaces" of various places. I'm also getting a few samples from some of the known reverb units, which gives me a taste of what the expensive reverbs can do. I'm still pretty impressed with Audition's reverbs, but looking at what else is available. The "Catherdral" sound from Altiverb, really got my attention, and I really like the info about the various places they took impulses from, I think it's facinating, but it's way out of my budget at this time. I just got done with $500 worth of unexpected, but very necessary car repair bills, so I'm broke for awhile.

In the future, I can see myself actually buying a cd or dvd of some high quality responses though. Just haven't found it yet, I'm just starting to look at them now. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[raal]

Originally Posted by radiant

I don't know about you but if Lexicon offered its PCM series reverbs as a software/hardware PCI or USB rack (ie Duende/TC Powercore/UAD-1) I would be all over it.

How about you guys?

if they offered a 480L that way yes, if it were firewire based like duende. 480L with reset would be great. something like that has to be right around the corner...

[radiant]

Originally Posted by raal

if they offered a 480L that way yes, if it were firewire based like duende. 480L with reset would be great. something like that has to be right around the corner...

Man, you got me dreaming... Lexicon has been hush and hasn't really developed anything interesting or high-end in a while. I haven't heard even a hint that they are working on something like this. I think the Lexicon Studio 24(?), or whatever that card was, scared them off from developing future software for ITB processing. Man, I really hope I'm wrong...

[thethrillfactor]

NOPE.


I work on analog and the 480L sounds different when fed thorugh its analog converters than through AES(much smaller and thinner).


Once everything is back in the analog domain and i want to use it i will have to reconvert the signal and that means whatever converters i am using into PT will come into play.


I do this for Altiverb to give it more of a sound, but in the case of the 480L which has recognizable signature already changing it that much will kill it for me.

[raal]

maybe they could compensate for the different converters in order to achieve the sound. (autopark/HD192, autopark/Prism dream, or whatever). or maybe a way to sample your verters QClone style to compensate for the sound. i'm sure it could be done.

but yes, AMS, Lexicon, all the good stuff has a sound that's directly related to the converters.

[raal]

Originally Posted by radiant

Man, you got me dreaming... Lexicon has been hush and hasn't really developed anything interesting or high-end in a while. I haven't heard even a hint that they are working on something like this. I think the Lexicon Studio 24(?), or whatever that card was, scared them off from developing future software for ITB processing. Man, I really hope I'm wrong...

they'd have to be catatonic not to be aware of the market potential for something like that.

[radiant]

hmm... 114 views and only 14 votes.

[Zeppelin4Life]

Yes and No are Tied and Maybe wins.




Well I'm glad I don't work in a R&D department.

[audiomichael]

If I recall, Lexicon had a powered DAW system that totally bombed. Maybe that's why they don't dable too often in the plugin land.

[Kiwiburger]

There is a ready market for Lexicon if they wished to offer their good algorithmns at a reasonable price in a hardware protected USB box.

Failing that - the other plugin vendors will beat them at their own game. Some of them are very close.

[henryrobinett]

No. But tha's just because I already have the PCM-91.

[thermos]

I love how long JuanPablos posts are.
I also think converters are huge. They'll nail it someday. Wouldn't buy a pcm 91 plug, but maybe an older lex box if it was modeled.

[timtoonz]

They already made the "Core32" platform, what - 9 years ago?

I forked out around $4,000 for one because at the time it was a relative steal, and the notion of getting "2 PCM90's" on the card seemed too good to be true.

Within 2 months, Lexicon dropped support and was blowing the same card out of GC for $599. The software drivers never did support any DAW except for Cubase, so as a Mac Logic user, I stuck with that damn card for 5 or so years and never even got to play with those damn PCM90 verbs.

I complained loudly and often to Lexicon, and they pretty much told me to 'get bent' coz they were getting out of the 'computer/desktop market'.

Crazy as it sounds, I still think the exact same product I paid all that cash for years ago would still make sense in the current market. But obviously my judgement isn't to be trusted. Just like I don't trust the goofs at Lexicon who made a high end card and then decided not to write the software drivers they promised...


Ah well. Living well is the best revenge.


Anybody wanna buy a Lexicon Core32 system? (Adat I/O, SPDIF, 10 ms. latency.... works great if you can run Win98)

[animix]

Originally Posted by timtoonz

They already made the "Core32" platform, what - 9 years ago?

I forked out around $4,000 for one because at the time it was a relative steal, and the notion of getting "2 PCM90's" on the card seemed too good to be true.

Within 2 months, Lexicon dropped support and was blowing the same card out of GC for $599. The software drivers never did support any DAW except for Cubase, so as a Mac Logic user, I stuck with that damn card for 5 or so years and never even got to play with those damn PCM90 verbs.

I complained loudly and often to Lexicon, and they pretty much told me to 'get bent' coz they were getting out of the 'computer/desktop market'.

Crazy as it sounds, I still think the exact same product I paid all that cash for years ago would still make sense in the current market. But obviously my judgement isn't to be trusted. Just like I don't trust the goofs at Lexicon who made a high end card and then decided not to write the software drivers they promised...


Ah well. Living well is the best revenge.


Anybody wanna buy a Lexicon Core32 system? (Adat I/O, SPDIF, 10 ms. latency.... works great if you can run Win98)

I used one of these in a separate computer running win 95 for years as a standalone reverb digitally interfaced with an RME card on a separate computer running Cubase SX3.0. Worked like a dream as a standalone reverb box that could be interfaced both digitally and via analog. It sounded great. the only reason I sold it was because I had a PCM 91 and a number of other outboard boxes and it was just redundant. This system can make a great "live" studio reverb.

[preben]

If it was done 'properly' and the could somehow capture the sound of a 480 ITB (in relation to what Thrillfactor said) I'd buy it in a flash. If it was a PCM91 I'm not so sure...

[Ruudman]

I also had a Lexicon Core32 Studio. Never got the Reverb chips to work with my DAW. They skipped it.

I bought Lexiverb, and of course, they later skipped it.

I'm a bit sceptical to Lexicon software-support because of that.

BTW, I'm digging up some old TDM mixes that have Lexiverbs all over them.
Any suggestions for a replacement? VSS3?

ruudman

[mimp]

I'm running a core32 + PC90 at the moment and it's the best £200 i ever spent.
You really do need a dedicated pc to put it in tho.

Doubt they're likely to do it again in a hurry due to how badly in went the first time round.

[radiant]

When I had the Core 32 it was too cumbersome to work with.

I think the landscape has changed quite dramatically since the Lexicon Core 32 was created. The Core 32 system was created to be used as a high-end recording interface and was way over priced at the time. The card actually caught on once everyone knew there were 2 PCM-90's embedded in the card. I just felt it's demise was ultimately a mixture of bad support, timing, and price point.

I think Lexicon could license the algorithms to a 3rd party manufacture like Universal Audio and let them maintain and update drivers etc.. UA and Roland seem to have a good thing going. If Lexicon doesn't have the drive to create something like the Duende or Powercore I think the UAD-1 card would be a great platform for Lexicon's algorithms. Right now Lexicon is behind and they need to catch up soon or other companies are going to take a big chunk of their recording market right out from under them if it already hasn't happened. There will always be Lexicon hardware pieces out there, sure, but I tend to believe the current trend of ITB mixing will continue to grow.

[animix]

Originally Posted by radiant

When I had the Core 32 it was too cumbersome to work with.

Yep! That's one reason I seldom used mine. It worked just fine but the interface was just too archaic. Also, the Core 32 didn't have the plate algos.

[radiant]

[bob katz]

Originally Posted by radiant

I don't know about you but if Lexicon offered its PCM series reverbs as a software/hardware PCI or USB rack (ie Duende/TC Powercore/UAD-1) I would be all over it.

How about you guys?

Not a 91, but if they ported a 480L I'd be interested. The problem is the language of the Powercore board is a Motorola fixed point 56K DSP chip, so mostly manufacturers that have compiled code for that chip are interested in the Power core. The Lexichip that Lexicon developed is optimized for their style verb and doesn't use that Motorola code to the best of my knowledge.

[living sounds]

There is a PCM-90 emulation availible from SonicTimeworks for the Creamware Scope&/Pulsar platform, reported to sound just like the real thing. The same developer also made the CSR-1 reverb (another Lexion emulation). Interestingly, he had to modify the algorithm due to the fact that the DSP chips on the Scope system can do a few things an X86 CPU is incapable of.

I would if it was a 300 or better.

The difference between a 300 and better OR lower is striking to my ears.

Nuverb.....



D

[funkynuts]

A "best of" dsp box would be class.

Sounds from their old gear like pcm 70 ,42 etc as well as stuff from 91,480l etc would be fantastic.

I,ve been waiting for this since tc first brought out the powercore,