Front Mesh removal from a Marshall and Mesa cab

exfakto · 25th May 2006

I jsut bought a Mesa recto 4x12 cab and a Marshall 4x12, Ive been seeing alot that many people remove the front grill from the amps to get a clearer sound. Yesterday I tried to remove them but notice that they are either glued or staples using a white line that runs al along the grill's diameter. Its a bit tought to remove. Do I have to remove the back panel to remove them ? Or do I just yank them out, Im afraid of tearing the mesh or removing something that doesnt need to be remove. Thanks alot in advanced.

JP

exfakto · 25th May 2006

anyone ?

max cooper · 25th May 2006

I'd just cut it away. Putting it back is kind of an upholstery job.

You can get all the old grille cloth stock from CE Distribution. I think they're a wholesaler only, but you can probably get your local amp guy to order from them.

They have the piping around the edge that you'll need too.

I don't know if the stuff they have is NOS or not, but it sure looks authentic.

crypticglobe · 25th May 2006

Hey bro. Open the cabinet from the back. You should see that the front grill is attached to a framwork of sorts that can be unscrewed from the back and then the whole thing will come out.

I used to do that with all my recording cabinets too... until I got this Bogner cabinet I am using now. It sounds so amazing with the grill on it that I just haven't even messed with it yet...

tINY · 25th May 2006

The reason to remove the mesh is to get the mic in closer. It won't change the sound, just keeps you from getting really close to the cone with a mic.

-tINY

max cooper · 25th May 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by tINY

The reason to remove the mesh is to get the mic in closer. It won't change the sound, just keeps you from getting really close to the cone with a mic.

-tINY

That's why I always just make two cuts; enough to fold a flap back over.

exfakto · 25th May 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by crypticglobe

Hey bro. Open the cabinet from the back. You should see that the front grill is attached to a framwork of sorts that can be unscrewed from the back and then the whole thing will come out.

I used to do that with all my recording cabinets too... until I got this Bogner cabinet I am using now. It sounds so amazing with the grill on it that I just haven't even messed with it yet...

Ahhh thanks alot you guys!!

Kiwiburger · 25th May 2006

It seems to me that if you have to cosmetically alter the appearance of a good looking cabinet, there's not much point buying a good looking cabinet.

Lets face it - cabs are for looks as much as anything.

I have some nice Mesa cabs that i'm not gonna slash with a knife. What I think i'll do from now on is simply buy speaker drivers, and make my own rudimentary cabs out of marine plywood panels and 2x4's.

Jonboy79 · 25th May 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwiburger

It seems to me that if you have to cosmetically alter the appearance of a good looking cabinet, there's not much point buying a good looking cabinet.

Lets face it - cabs are for looks as much as anything.

I have some nice Mesa cabs that i'm not gonna slash with a knife. What I think i'll do from now on is simply buy speaker drivers, and make my own rudimentary cabs out of marine plywood panels and 2x4's.

I was under the assumption that a little more went into making a speaker cabinet than throwing together some marine plywood. I personally don't buy my equipment based on looks, it's based on performance no matter how ugly it is. And no cabs aren't just for looks more than anything. I record small 2x12 cabs and single 12 combos and 4x12 cabs always seem to have way more balls.

Kiwiburger · 26th May 2006

Guitar cabs are a commodity - make to a price (i.e. compromises are made). The money goes into marketing and advertising, and screwing suppliers for lower cost materials. A brand name is simply a badge that can be exploited for more profit, because suckers like to see the right badge on the front.

It annoys me to see inferior MDF wood being used in cabinets, and stock cabinets never have the classic speakers fitted to them. The reason I have Mesa cabinets is because they seem to be better made than some of the bigger brand names.

There are basic physics principles why certain cabinets sound better, or different, from others. A 4x12 cabinet has more bass because it's physically larger, and effectively an infinite baffle. My Mesa 1 x 12" Theile cab can blow away most 4 x 12" cabinets for low end bass.

There is absolutely no reason why homemade plywood cabinets wouldn't outperform commercial stuff. Without the cosmetic/brandname bling factor, what's the difference? I could make them a lot heavier, and totally rattle free. I could fill them with a lot more foam, if necessary.

I would put the slutty money into quality drivers - Alnico Blues etc

25th May 2006	#1
exfakto Gear maniac Joined: Sep 2004 Location: Katy, Texas Posts: 239 Thread Starter	Front Mesh removal from a Marshall and Mesa cab I jsut bought a Mesa recto 4x12 cab and a Marshall 4x12, Ive been seeing alot that many people remove the front grill from the amps to get a clearer sound. Yesterday I tried to remove them but notice that they are either glued or staples using a white line that runs al along the grill's diameter. Its a bit tought to remove. Do I have to remove the back panel to remove them ? Or do I just yank them out, Im afraid of tearing the mesh or removing something that doesnt need to be remove. Thanks alot in advanced. JP __________________ WWW.HMNPSTUDIOS.COM WWW.HMNPSTUDIOS.COM/FORUMS Foro de grabación para hispanoparlantes. I am one of those low ratios/high threshold med/slow attack/slow release guys

25th May 2006	#4
crypticglobe Lives for gear Joined: Mar 2004 Location: Nashville Posts: 2,523 2 Reviews written	Hey bro. Open the cabinet from the back. You should see that the front grill is attached to a framwork of sorts that can be unscrewed from the back and then the whole thing will come out. I used to do that with all my recording cabinets too... until I got this Bogner cabinet I am using now. It sounds so amazing with the grill on it that I just haven't even messed with it yet... __________________ Steve Lamm Cryptic Globe Recording CGR Studios - Engineering, Mixing, and Production Cryptic Globe Recording - Custom PC DAW Systems! Ask me about my Custom Mac!!

25th May 2006	#8
Kiwiburger Lives for gear Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,075	It seems to me that if you have to cosmetically alter the appearance of a good looking cabinet, there's not much point buying a good looking cabinet. Lets face it - cabs are for looks as much as anything. I have some nice Mesa cabs that i'm not gonna slash with a knife. What I think i'll do from now on is simply buy speaker drivers, and make my own rudimentary cabs out of marine plywood panels and 2x4's. __________________ My carbon footprint is bigger than yours.

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25th May 2006	#3
max cooper Lives for gear Joined: Aug 2004 Location: tx Posts: 8,802	I'd just cut it away. Putting it back is kind of an upholstery job. You can get all the old grille cloth stock from CE Distribution. I think they're a wholesaler only, but you can probably get your local amp guy to order from them. They have the piping around the edge that you'll need too. I don't know if the stuff they have is NOS or not, but it sure looks authentic.

25th May 2006	#5
tINY Gear Guru Joined: Jul 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 10,234	The reason to remove the mesh is to get the mic in closer. It won't change the sound, just keeps you from getting really close to the cone with a mic. -tINY

26th May 2006	#10
Kiwiburger Lives for gear Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,075	Guitar cabs are a commodity - make to a price (i.e. compromises are made). The money goes into marketing and advertising, and screwing suppliers for lower cost materials. A brand name is simply a badge that can be exploited for more profit, because suckers like to see the right badge on the front. It annoys me to see inferior MDF wood being used in cabinets, and stock cabinets never have the classic speakers fitted to them. The reason I have Mesa cabinets is because they seem to be better made than some of the bigger brand names. There are basic physics principles why certain cabinets sound better, or different, from others. A 4x12 cabinet has more bass because it's physically larger, and effectively an infinite baffle. My Mesa 1 x 12" Theile cab can blow away most 4 x 12" cabinets for low end bass. There is absolutely no reason why homemade plywood cabinets wouldn't outperform commercial stuff. Without the cosmetic/brandname bling factor, what's the difference? I could make them a lot heavier, and totally rattle free. I could fill them with a lot more foam, if necessary. I would put the slutty money into quality drivers - Alnico Blues etc