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Old 6th March 2012   #1
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need advice to record percussion/drums!!

hey hows it going its been a looooooong looooooooooong time and i am blessed to say that in my time after 8 years of helping others with their own projects im finally working on my own album

thing is... im trying to record everything at home....

in doing so ive had a couple challenges im facing..

percussion and drums being two of them.

within the next week or so im going to have a friend of mine record congas for a latin fusion im working on

and i also have a friend thats going to be recording bongos.

ideally, id love to have both guys playing at the same time to have the percussion tight for the song. my room is a bit of a tight space, but i think we can manage that.

now heres my issue

if i am to be recording bongos and congas at the same time i need the best options. this is what im working with:

i have a maudio profire 6/10 interface.
2 shure sm57 mics
1 blue bluebird condenser mic
1 presonus eureka preamp (preamp for the bluebird)
samson MDR16 mixer ( id honestly rather stay away from this mixer by all means necessary. )

i also have other microphones but i dont have matching pairs of anything because i use these as my own vocal mics when i play live

1 shure sm58
1 sennheiser e835

being a guitar player i dont have an extensive mic collection because im satisfied with what i have to record electric acoustic guitars and vocals. but i only know and am comfortable with my gear in that aspect because of my own trial and error, this is what works for me.. but i am aware that it might not work for other instruments.

with that being said what can i do to make the best out of this situation?
being a fellow gearslut id love to purchase new gear but the slut funds are low.

and for recording drums how would i go about it?

im thinking 57 snare, 57 kick ( although i feel like i should be using another mic for that ) and the bluebird as an overhead.

the profires specs are as follows:

6 inputs including:
2 XLR/TS combo jacks for mics or instrument level inputs
2 1/4" TRS balanced line inputs
Stereo S/PDIF In

i thought about using the s/pdif on the samson mixer to connect to the s/pdif on the profire to expand my lines, but the thing has this noise hiss issue that renders it useless to me if i want to have a quality recording

any thoughts? advice? it would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance.

 
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If you can't make an album with just 57s then you can't make an album. They will do. If you have spare cash look at a specific kick mic - tastes vary but an Audix D6 pleases many people.

Depending on your playing style, you might consider doing your drums as overdubs. This makes it a lot easier to process and edit tracks with 100% isolation. Also, with your 6 input profire you could track with multiple mics ... use them all, try different positions in the room, and then after tracking it's a lot easier to identify which mics sounded best, and/or mix and match. Maybe use a different mic to drive a delay or reverb ... lots of options if you choose to work this way.
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yeah ive used 57s for guitar, bass cabs, snares, shakers beatboxing even vocals. they can take abuse.

you see on the profire the 2 xlr lines in the front are being processed through the onboard preamp. thats where i was going to put the two sm57's.

the 2 line level inputs in the back rely on a source that has its own output. since the presonus eureka has one i connect one there which leaves me with one more. but if i use any dynamic/ condensor mic i need to have something that is going to amplify it.

same goes with the spdif.

so basically im stuck with only 3 mics to use for a situation that i would need 5.
one for each conga/ bongo (4 dynamic mics)
1 condenser for ambiance.

OR

i can buy another condenser mic and dedicate one for the bongos another for congas.

i just want to be able to record everything together to get one good take.. these guys are beasts.

but in order to record everything, i think im just going to have to record everything separately.

i should of got the 2626 ugh

i will look into that mic for the kick though.. thanks
 
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ditto on the Audix D6, it's basically pre-EQd to be punchy and thick, assuming your placement and tuning are in order.
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One mic is enough for bongos.
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I would agree for Bongos 1 mic is more than adequate. If your conga player is only playing 2 congas, you might want to think of just one mic on them as well.
Then you can pan the bongos a little to one side and the congas to the other.
If you go that route get a 57 or 58 right between the 2 drums and adjust till you get a good balance.

You should also be able to get a nice drums sound with 3 mics if that's all you have. Use the Bluebird as a mono overhead - just make sure you have a heavy duty stand and boom so its out of harm's way. Then spot the kick and snare with your 57s and 58s - or try that Sennheiser.
get a nice solid drum sound up the middel and your congas and bongos giving you a nice stereo image.

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cool thanks for the advice guys.

the conga player sits down ala poncho sanchez style so he would need two mics

a friend of mine is going to lend me a preamp so i can use the sm58 on the bongos

so i would have one mic on each conga, one for the bongos and the bluebird for the room

now brings me to my other question...

i have carpet in my room. the room is very neutral. not live but not dull

im thinking of putting wood under the congas, but is there anything i should be looking for in particular? and where would i go about getting it? i have a buttload of plywood at home but i want to be ready the day of and not have to run around

thanks again
 
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