and the loudness war winner is .....SKRILLEX

[cianthreetimes]

Originally Posted by Arksun

Yup, as much as I hate the loudness wars myself, and also don't feel most dubstep at all, I couldn't help but be rather blown away by this particular track:

First Of The Year (Equinox) - Skrillex [OFFICIAL] - YouTube


Unbelievable sound, put a huge grin on my face when it kicks in @1:26 blasting this out. Maybe I'm succumbing to the dubstep darkside after all

Man, this was my first foray into the world of Skrillex as well, and holy jesus, that was awesome. Props to the video director to really making it a true A/V experience. It's like what the soundtrack to the Matrix should have sounded like.

[Happy Musicfan]

SKRILLEX : The only scouring pad powerful enough to scrape the coating off of your non-stick pans ..... without even touching them !

[waxx]

The problem with this forum is a bit that most people here think in old US/UK pop music asthetics, and can't adapt to other standards. This is also a big problem in studio's where the average pop/rock engineer does not get how genres like hiphop, UK garage (where dubstep is orginated), electronic dance music or even reggae should sound. Those asthetics are totally different than rock or pop or others most of you are used to. With a lot of world music it's just the same...

I'm not a skrillex fan (find it most of the time a rather boring mixup of dubstep cliché's) but his sound is exactly like how this should sound, wich is raw, bass heavy and in your face. If you keep dynamics in this genre, your music sounds floppy and powerless. If you try to do this with standard pop/rock/soul or in worst case scenario with jazz or classical, it wil sound like shit, but here this works like it should.

And if you want to see where skrillex gots his stuff from ...

Both artist did the skrillex trick long before him, they only don't have the marketing machine behind them that skrillex got...

[Happy Musicfan]

Originally Posted by waxx

I'm not a skrillex fan (find it most of the time a rather boring mixup of dubstep cliché's) but his sound is exactly like how this should sound, wich is raw, bass heavy and in your face. If you keep dynamics in this genre, your music sounds floppy and powerless....

It would be nice if the respect for relative stylistic production approaches actually existed. Instead, the exorbitant Skrillex loudness level, somehow becomes the universal standard for nearly all releases in nearly all genres (including pop & rock) in the neverending loudness wars which permeates the entire music industry (except for jazz & classical).

But there are many doing good work in applying the different approaches each genre requires.

Then again, many would question whether dubstep, electro house, moombahton, glitch music, post-hardcore, metalcore and other modern subgenres absolutely and unconditionally require the complete obliteration of all dynamics in order to exist.

[waxx]

Originally Posted by Happy Musicfan

It would be nice if the respect for relative stylistic production approaches actually existed. Instead, the exorbitant Skrillex loudness level, somehow becomes the universal standard for nearly all releases in nearly all genres (including pop & rock) in the neverending loudness wars which permeates the entire music industry (except for jazz & classical).

But there are many doing good work in applying the different approaches each genre requires.

Then again, many would question whether dubstep, electro house, moombahton, glitch music, post-hardcore, metalcore and other modern subgenres absolutely and unconditionally require the complete obliteration of all dynamics in order to exist.

Not all, but music made to be played on heavy soundsystems like electronic music needs to be in your face, otherwise it does not work on parties. And that's where the music is made for. But hardcore punk and variations is not like that, that's live music, that should have some dynamics, at least in my opinion.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by RightOnRome

im sorry but converters make a huge difference in my world

They don't make the sort of difference where you can get a louder master because of them, nor that anyone can suddenly tell what clocking you used because you have a loud master.

I'm not talking about subjective improvements when working in material.

[adrianww]

I first heard of Skrillex just a little while ago and hadn't really listened to much of his stuff. I can sort of appreciate it for what it is, but most of it just leaves me thinking...well...sort of...

Meh.

Nothing exciting or really interesting there. But if it floats your boat, then that's fair enough - more power to you. And best of luck to him for making the most of it.

[Everbeatz]

Originally Posted by waxx

... but his sound is exactly like how this should sound, wich is raw, bass heavy and in your face. If you keep dynamics in this genre, your music sounds floppy and powerless.

Exactly

I don't get crying over dynamics in this genre

[Rob Coates]

Originally Posted by Chucho

Given that we all have volume knobs isn't it a pointless competition to get into ?

Exactly my sentiments. It's a game I refuse to play. I just finished mixing my own CD and it's not loud. It's at about the same level as CDs were 20 years ago. I can get by with that because my music is mainly for old hippies LOL.

[logicll]

I am not an authority on the subject, however it would seem he is using plugins for the synth sounds, that could explain some of the clarity. I have a friend who uses all plugins from guitar samples to synth sounds and things sound open and polishes real fast!

[mainstreamdjs]

Originally Posted by E.rOk.stA

There's no way that he mastered that himself. Maybe and a big maybe, he mixed it. It just sounds waay too good. He could quit making music and just engineer.

That said, I love this album!

I have to say that people such as Skrillex and Dadalife swear on mixing down and mastering themselves....and most of them say they use minimal hardware. It the sound obviously starts off with a great MIX and even his old stuff sounded like this.... regardless, I just cant see these guys having other people do all of their work when the mixing down and mastering of electronic dance music is half of the battle for the artist...thats what seems to make them..them.....the fact that they created that sound...

[RightOnRome]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

They don't make the sort of difference where you can get a louder master because of them, nor that anyone can suddenly tell what clocking you used because you have a loud master.

I'm not talking about subjective improvements when working in material.

absolutely .. but thats not why i made the comment ,, my point was that it sounded very wide open and clean .. lots of depth .. the loudness was a part of the comment because there doesn't seem to be any distortion or pumping accompanied by it..this seems to be achievable with quality gear ..at a quality mastering facility .... in witch there is probably wonderful equipment like nice eq's,big fat comps,limiters....and of course.. a nice converter and clock.. if not, ..and this is all him ITB ..well then.. nice job.. now you probably just want to argue so go ahead.. argue away

[mattqualls]

Skrillex.... haha wtf. All I can think about is that guys old band.

From First To Last Note To Self Video - YouTube

watch and giggle.

bye.