siemens klangfilm console
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23rd January 2012
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siemens klangfilm console

how about this, looks stunning, everything is on 5 pole din connectors, so (for me) at the moment difficult to test. 14 micpre's/linechannels en 4 summing modules. I can buy this for rather cheap, but suppose to buy it "as is". How about you guys, would you dive right in?
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23rd January 2012
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Anybody seen this, or something like it before?
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23rd January 2012
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I've never used one, or indeed heard one.

But I'd buy that sucker on looks alone. It is absolutely beautiful
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23rd January 2012
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That's what i'm afraid of actually, falling for looks alone...
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24th January 2012
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Anyone else?
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24th January 2012
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Siemens

`More pics, where are the modules? why Klangfilm? If it has the modules then buy it f it's that cheap. Some expensive kit there
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24th January 2012
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Given that Siemens was never known as the Behringer of its day I would suspect that it is as good as it got for its age.

PS: 'Klangfilm' merely means 'movies with sound' in german but the company of the same name was founded by Siemens and AEG/Telefunken in 1929.

Tube Classics - German Tube Hifi

More reasons to expect high quality as it was made for the film industry and they traditionally didn't skimp out.
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24th January 2012
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You may have to do some recapping/cleaning, and fitting some XLR adaptors too. After that, you'd have a killer console. If you don't go for it, someone else will.

EDIT : seriously, go for it. You can always sell it for 10 times what you paid if you're not happy, and then sell the modules. Siemens is the sh*t.

EDIT : "Beschrijving
Siemens modulaire mixer met 14 inputs (line en mic) 14 mic preamps,Beyer Dynamic trafos op de inputs, 4 summing mixers, Tuchel DIN inputs, ingebouwde versterker geheel modulair. Heeft wat aandacht nodig, deze mixer een zeldzaamheid!! jaren 70 vintage item!! "

MAN !!! Thats 14 siemens pre's in there. Worth way more than 1150 euros. Buy it before I buy it !!!

Last edited by Capashitor; 24th January 2012 at 09:21 AM.. Reason: this guy is crazy
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24th January 2012
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Ok thanx guys, i'll definitely buy it!

And fast!
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24th January 2012
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You lucky bastard. En als je hulp nodig hebt, geef een gil.
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27th January 2012
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That is my console, here are a few details shots of the modules:
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27th January 2012
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Some more:

The desk is fully modular, has a build in power amp!! going to check it out soon, since it arrived at my place i have not tested it.
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27th January 2012
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A better shot of the input board, has Beyer transformer on the PCB.
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28th January 2012
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Who did recap that channel?

I looked closely on all channels and to me those electronics do not fit the timeframe this console must have been build. Wich would have been around 60-70's. The electronics inside are from the '90's.

Hmmm. Now I would like to see them transformers and if possible the schematics...


Based on codes from the channels I found this;
http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/siemens...r_c72392c.html
That is a much smaller unit. And dates around 1975.

On the channels we allso see a sticker wich would indicate the complete unit was rebuild at some time. Wich I guess must have been around 1990... Cause after that date Siemens would have drawn back from work like this. It would be interesting to see if the place who owned the mixer still has the paperwork for this mixer...

Last edited by muziekschuur; 28th January 2012 at 01:56 PM.. Reason: Some research...
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28th January 2012
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It crossed my path and i decided to snap it up. I got it from somebody who got it from a guy next door who had it in storage and did not need it anymore..so no known history, no paperwork or info where it used to be employed etc
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5th February 2012
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I bought it! Will keep you posted about everything concerning this console.
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5th February 2012
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Here it is standing on the workbench!
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5th February 2012
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You lucky bastard! ;-)
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5th February 2012
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geweldig!

a recap and clean then
pair it with a patchbay and you got a very nice desk.
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5th February 2012
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It looks very clean by itself. I bet its not such a nightmare inside. Recapping is really fast and a no brainer once you figure the moves.
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5th February 2012
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It looks extremely clean on the inside. This board his been recapped before with siemens caps probably around 1990 or so, the faders do crackle a lot and have some difficulties making contact, however after cleaning one it almost disappaered. It is absolutely quiet even when using the built in amp, no noise or hiss or hum... Quility stuf so it seems. Can't get the panning to work properly though...
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5th February 2012
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Have fun with it! maybe show some pics of the inside....hardcore German construction quality.
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5th February 2012
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I will take some pics, thanx!
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7th February 2012
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designing desk

In the meantime been working on a design for my desk, sketchup (google) is pretty neat. Anyone for some tips, for example which wood to use and how to finish it?
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7th February 2012
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I'd use baltic birch ply.
Its strong, easy to work with, cheap&cheerful and you can either paint or veneer it.
Veneer looks nice but costs a lot more than paint or varnish.
Of the affordable veneers I like Sapele.
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7th February 2012
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oak.

What are you intend to do with it. Are 14 inputs enough? I gave you some links to some Klangfilm lovers. Did you contact them yet? I allso mailed you a site with alot of schematics. I found that when you google the number on the side of all these modules you end up with detailed information... Have you done so allready?

It'd be neat if you end up with a book with the history of klangfilm and all the relevant schematics in it.

Wasn't this a stereo channel setup? because it looks to have no panners?
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7th February 2012
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Can you measure the standing plates? Aren't they the size of a 500 series rackmodule?

Just build my desk. I'd use two monitor arms, above the desk. I have a feeling you can integrate motorized faders in the desk.
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7th February 2012
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oak.

What are you intend to do with it. Are 14 inputs enough? I gave you some links to some Klangfilm lovers. Did you contact them yet? I allso mailed you a site with alot of schematics. I found that when you google the number on the side of all these modules you end up with detailed information... Have you done so allready?

It'd be neat if you end up with a book with the history of klangfilm and all the relevant schematics in it.

Wasn't this a stereo channel setup? because it looks to have no panners?
Ha Frans!!

Thanx for your mails, that first of all. I've not yet contacted anybody yet because the board is at my dads place, because he has al the tools (and the knowlegde to fix what has to be fixed. I will be there tomorrow, in the mean time i did hence not have the possibility to write down al the numbers necessary to ask people for schematics.

I intend to use it first of all as summing/mixing device, and ofcourse for recording. I record a lot of vocals and acoustic instruments at my house, which is quite suited for the task. (6/7 meter high wooden triangle ceiling). I also need to be able to lift the top desk because when needed I want to bring it to especially classlical recordings (on tape).

Oh and btw, every channel has panning And 14 inputs for summing right now is enough especially with 4 extra summing busses.

The pre's rock by the way!

But Oak, that is anaffordable i'm afraid..
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7th February 2012
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I'd use baltic birch ply.
Its strong, easy to work with, cheap&cheerful and you can either paint or veneer it.
Veneer looks nice but costs a lot more than paint or varnish.
Of the affordable veneers I like Sapele.
tx, googling it right now
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tx, googling it right now
Oh and the standingplates (no able to measure right now) are 95% sure the same size of v672 and such.
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