siemens klangfilm console

[knobexploit]

Originally Posted by The Audioman

The pre's rock by the way!

Yeah are they good?!

[knobexploit]

Originally Posted by The Audioman

Ha Frans!!

Thanx for your mails, that first of all. I've not yet contacted anybody yet because the board is at my dads place, because he has al the tools (and the knowlegde to fix what has to be fixed. I will be there tomorrow, in the mean time i did hence not have the possibility to write down al the numbers necessary to ask people for schematics.

I intend to use it first of all as summing/mixing device, and ofcourse for recording. I record a lot of vocals and acoustic instruments at my house, which is quite suited for the task. (6/7 meter high wooden triangle ceiling). I also need to be able to lift the top desk because when needed I want to bring it to especially classlical recordings (on tape).

Oh and btw, every channel has panning And 14 inputs for summing right now is enough especially with 4 extra summing busses.

The pre's rock by the way!

But Oak, that is anaffordable i'm afraid..

How did you get the panning to work? have you figured out all the input settings?

[The Audioman]

Originally Posted by knobexploit

Yeah are they good?!

Oh yes....

The funny thing is however, that you can choose to use an input gain on top or at the bottom of the console and the sound is significantly different. One a little bit more open then the other (not much). Sound is what you expect, full bottom , rich mids and smooth top end. If you use the fader a little dark, if not more open. Overal very satisfied i must say!

[The Audioman]

Originally Posted by knobexploit

How did you get the panning to work? have you figured out all the input settings?

No i did not, the panning only seems to work when going to a summing bus first and then still it's a little confusing. I decided to first do a complete clean-up before going further in figuring it all out.

Anybody an ideal what the input settings mean. Mic and tape are abvious, but +6 db, and the mystery wave symbol (welle)?

[Capashitor]

Seems so much fun investigating the mysteries of old mixers lol

I have an old siemens razorblade sharpener that works with a little rope and ceramic plates. Any of their gear is awesome to look at and to use.

[The Audioman]

Originally Posted by Capashitor

Seems so much fun investigating the mysteries of old mixers lol

It is! I'm constantly psyched about getting further with this desk. Only to know there's probably at least one person walking on this planet who handsoldered the complete board who could tell so much is devastating. Not a gearslut I reckon. Hehe

[The Audioman]

I've figured out all the routings on the board. The problem with the panning was just a worn out switch on the mastermodule. That's also the reason why the faders reacted strange, the signal had to be "strong enough" to pass the faulty switch. Everything ok now, some can with compressed air together with a non residu contact spray does wonders so it seems. The summing modules have 10 extra inputchoices for what I guess were taperecorders (besides the routing from the board itself)

Exciting starting to look very good.

[knobexploit]

Originally Posted by The Audioman

I've figured out all the routings on the board. The problem with the panning was just a worn out switch on the mastermodule. That's also the reason why the faders reacted strange, the signal had to be "strong enough" to pass the faulty switch. Everything ok now, some can with compressed air together with a non residu contact spray does wonders so it seems. The summing modules have 10 extra inputchoices for what I guess were taperecorders (besides the routing from the board itself)

Exciting starting to look very good.

cool...have you started trimming the VU meters?

[muziekschuur]

I've contacted some experts. And some info is dropping in as we speak. Maybe I can shed some light on this at the end of the week. The OP and I have been having mailcontact and phone contact now for some time. People who know me know I allready own everything I need. But I love to hear this console. But to do that it should offcourse be somewhat rebuild in order for not to trash any parts.. So lets hope we do get some cooperation of those who are in the know. And the OP can get it up and running like desired... Some knobs here. Some measurements and some repairs there, some new old knobbies, some lubricant, some solder.... and who knows.

[Capashitor]

If you used non residue contact cleaner you must have dried your carbon tracks ; don't forget to spray or pour a drop of contact lubricant on each track so you don't actually kill it because then you'll be sorry

[Mono-Peter]

I really don't want to ruin the mood, but be aware that Siemens build not only high class broadcast gear but also a lot of sound installation equipment for sport arenas, shopping malls, schools, conference rooms, hospitals etc. This console does not look like a recording / broadcast console to me. Wich does not mean that it does sound bad, it's just probably not in the same league as the V276 / W295 desks. Anyway, it looks good!

[The Audioman]

Originally Posted by Mono-Peter

I really don't want to ruin the mood, but be aware that Siemens build not only high class broadcast gear but also a lot of sound installation equipment for sport arenas, shopping malls, schools, conference rooms, hospitals etc. This console does not look like a recording / broadcast console to me. Wich does not mean that it does sound bad, it's just probably not in the same league as the V276 / W295 desks. Anyway, it looks good!

That's true, if that's the case thumbs up to the high quality components and great sound, still pretty high class in regard to temporary audio equipment!

[The Audioman]

Originally Posted by Capashitor

If you used non residue contact cleaner you must have dried your carbon tracks ; don't forget to spray or pour a drop of contact lubricant on each track so you don't actually kill it because then you'll be sorry

Yes I dried the tracks, however did not use lubricant thought.

[muziekschuur]

I've emailed all internet sites with Siemens Klangfilm affiliated. Nobody knew the desk. I have allso mailed Siemens. But sofar no information. Just that someone thinks it's Siemens Sitral. As he does not believe this to be a Klangfilm unit.

Well, if this week does not give me a clue the search was somewhat pointless.

A Siemens Sitral wich does not really look that much different;



Two members; FULL-DUPLEX and MONO-PETER seem to be into Siemens gear quite a bit.

[muziekschuur]

Two Siemens Sitral high pass filters;

SIEMENS W293 Low cut Sitralkassette.mono 40/56/80/118/1 [8018] - €

[muziekschuur]

A Siemens C-4 desk.

[knobexploit]

Originally Posted by Mono-Peter

I really don't want to ruin the mood, but be aware that Siemens build not only high class broadcast gear but also a lot of sound installation equipment for sport arenas, shopping malls, schools, conference rooms, hospitals etc. This console does not look like a recording / broadcast console to me. Wich does not mean that it does sound bad, it's just probably not in the same league as the V276 / W295 desks. Anyway, it looks good!

I sold this one and was told it was in use at a local theatre, even though not a V276/W295 desk (or other WSW gear) this one does have mic pres on all channels and has a high grade build quality etc etc..If it was a high end WSW console the price would have been in another league..

[knobexploit]

Originally Posted by The Audioman

Yes I dried the tracks, however did not use lubricant thought.

Try Deoxit faderlube..

[George Necola]

I am more into Studer/EMT.

I found this link: http://klangfilm.free.fr/index.php?l...tle=&dir=&num=

Pretty revealing. Movie theater console.

The stuff inside looks really more 90s then 60s. I guess the console has been rebuilt.

The quality is ok. Nothing fancy, little routing options.

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Gearslutz.com

[muziekschuur]

I saw a forum there. Maybe a place to get into touch with other owners...

[RFZ DUDE]

This desk has nothing to do with Klangfilm at all, its more likely a Sitradyn system thing from around the 80´s.
Those have been around in industrial places, sports halls, schools and the likes.

[muziekschuur]

Siemens Summenverstärker für Sitradyn-Modulsystem, C72392-A700-B332 | eBay


Great info.... I'm happy everybody is so cooperative.

[knobexploit]

Originally Posted by Mono-Peter

I really don't want to ruin the mood, but be aware that Siemens build not only high class broadcast gear but also a lot of sound installation equipment for sport arenas, shopping malls, schools, conference rooms, hospitals etc. This console does not look like a recording / broadcast console to me. Wich does not mean that it does sound bad, it's just probably not in the same league as the V276 / W295 desks. Anyway, it looks good!

It has Tape in and out, mic pre's etc etc so much of it leads me to believe that it did perform a recording duty at some point in time.

[muziekschuur]

Most of us here have no clue as to how in the '90's the machines were run to show a clomplete movie. I could not find any info about this either...
Maybe that information would reveal the purpose of this console.

[RFZ DUDE]

There is one Sitradyn console like yours in a public bath here in Berlin-Neukölln, used for "feeding" the multiple rooms with announcements ect.

Also there has been a number of C700 / Sitradyn systems installed in the underground / tube over here for announcements, communication ect. i believe.

Frankly id say see how this desk works out for you, either keep it or clean it, take some pics and off to ebay.
There´s so many folks buying on looks alone - and this has some sharp looks to it.

[knobexploit]

Originally Posted by RFZ DUDE

There is one Sitradyn console like yours in a public bath here in Berlin-Neukölln, used for "feeding" the multiple rooms with announcements ect.

Also there has been a number of C700 / Sitradyn systems installed in the underground / tube over here for announcements, communication ect. i believe.

Frankly id say see how this desk works out for you, either keep it or clean it, take some pics and off to ebay.
There´s so many folks buying on looks alone - and this has some sharp looks to it.

I searched high and low on the internet for comparable desks in Sitradyn format with only minor succes..

[RFZ DUDE]

I couldnt find much online as well, all purpose-made stuff i would guess.
Maybe try and contact the ebay seller who is offering those Sitradyn amps posted earlier, if im right he is buying military surplus and selling it through ebay.Maybe he knows something about the origin of his modules?I wouldnt be surprised if you could find them in military institutions as well.
Funny thing is that over here in the eastern part its mostly Siemens stuff you find & in the western part its mostly Philips gear, post ´70s i would say.

[muziekschuur]

Vintage console philips ldc 15

I have a dual 31 band philips professional eq myself.

The fun part with the Siemens is, I see bits and pieces everywhere for great prices. So the owner of the console could slowly expand the current mixer with extra's and some spares too.

[knobexploit]

Originally Posted by muziekschuur

Vintage console philips ldc 15

I have a dual 31 band philips professional eq myself.

The fun part with the Siemens is, I see bits and pieces everywhere for great prices. So the owner of the console could slowly expand the current mixer with extra's and some spares too.

Philips..... I am from Eindhoven...even our toilet seat was made by philips..

My mother, father, grandfather all worked for Philips.
A guy in our neighborhood was on the developing team for the CD and took home with him prototype CD players and examples from the first batch ever made. We had Philips TV, newspaper, college fund, radio, doohandles, housing etc etc etc...

If there was no Philips there would have been no me...

[Providence]

Originally Posted by muziekschuur

I've emailed all internet sites with Siemens Klangfilm affiliated. Nobody knew the desk. I have allso mailed Siemens. But sofar no information. Just that someone thinks it's Siemens Sitral. As he does not believe this to be a Klangfilm unit.

Well, if this week does not give me a clue the search was somewhat pointless.

A Siemens Sitral wich does not really look that much different;



Two members; FULL-DUPLEX and MONO-PETER seem to be into Siemens gear quite a bit.

Can I have this?