Less SUCK, more ROCK in 2012!!!

[Benprogfuse]

Originally Posted by Edward Shnapper

Yea, i agree with the zoo man. Rock is dead. It had its day. It will NEVER be back. It will try to come back, but will never really make it. It will show up now and then just like jazz and classical etc do but it's just another 'classic genre' now. I don't think there is anywhere left for rock to go.

Rock is still selling about 30% of the overall market compared to:

Pop - 35%
Country - 5.5%
Rap - 5%
Everything else - 24.5%

So it is far from gone.

Just because it is not on the radio, doesn't indicate anything. How many counrty stations are out there??

[mizzle]

Originally Posted by Benprogfuse

Rock is still selling about 30% of the overall market compared to:

Pop - 35%
Country - 5.5%
Rap - 5%
Everything else - 24.5%

So it is far from gone.

Just because it is not on the radio, doesn't indicate anything. How many counrty stations are out there??

Whenever you cite stats, please cite sources.

[ionian]

I'm proudly suck free for the past 23 years.

Regards,
Frank

[Benprogfuse]

Originally Posted by mizzle

Whenever you cite stats, please cite sources.

This should be close enough:

[T'Mershi Duween]

To paraphrase Frank Zappa: "Rock is not dead! It just smells funny..."

The idea that some played out sub-genre of electronic music like dubstep or the moronic, paint-by-numbers dance pop of today's "music entertainment industry" will ever replace real rock is pretty laughable.

Most of the crappy mainstream (and way too much indie) music that we suffer through uses many of the "cool" trappings of rock, yet, it can never truly achieve flight and actually rock.

Pop culture, as we currently know it, is basically living off the fumes of past rock glory.

That's why the term "rock star" is currently not just the vernacular of the cool, but the lingua franca of most living beings.

And much like the epic GS thread about amp modeling, nothing can ever really replace a loud electric guitar and the power that it has.

Of course, rock is not just a music genre, it's a state of mind. It's an ethos and a lifestyle. That's why: Nickleback = not rock, but Miles Davis = rock.

If you cannot understand that, then you probably don't rock! tutt

[NEWTON IN ORBIT]

Originally Posted by RoundBadge

Ha..I shot that interview at Franks house in the 80's..he invited us to stay for dinner..that was a fun day to say the least.amazing guy!

That video is freaking AMAZING! Dude was a genius...

Thanks for posting the vid, and thanks for being there and shooting it RB!

He's exactly right still to this day.

john

[Steffmo]

My new label with EMI, Elm City Music will be releasing Adrenalyn Mobs Omerta
album March 13. Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater, Russell Allen from Symphony X and Mike Orlando.

Its rock....and its hot.

[mizzle]

Originally Posted by Benprogfuse

This should be close enough:

Thanks. You may know that your numbers come from a solid source, but to the general thread reader it helps to verify your claim.

That said, do you believe that this table is accurate for hip-hop/rap? It's pretty much all I hear blaring out of car radios here in Philly, and with the prevalence of Kanye West/ Jay-Z/ Little Wayne etc. I would have made the assumption that it claims a larger slice of the pie.

[fastlanestoner]

someone from KROQ should read this...

[Liquid360]

Rock isn't dead, the best parts were just absorbed by the mainstream. Everything today has been influenced heavily by it.

What I like to point out is that a sucky band in a great studio will produce a pristine recording of crap.

Nice one.

[los marbles]

Interesting thread.

A certain % of kids will always be rebellious. I think it's more important for them to have an expressive outlet that differs from their parents ideas, than it is to make a serious musical statement....whatever the "category" of music.

Rock as a form of teenage rebellion is a silly notion, considering that most young people's Grandpa listened to rock music and probably still do.

A previous poster mentioned their surprise about Nirvana breaking out. I was another one who thought rock was down and out by the 80's. I thought the ORB and 808 State were gonna merge with Northern Soul and change the world.

Sometimes I think gearslutz sell themselves short. A good producer/engineer can reshape the sound of a genre and make it fresh again. Butch Vig did something special Siamese Dream and Nevermind and those records sounded really cool.

I think in this day and age, for the most part, it's producers who make the landmark records, not the artists. The style is just whatever the producer happens to be into at the time.

[plant-on]

Originally Posted by Hollywoods

I don't know how many times i've listen to a so called new rock or metal band and, the intro sounds good, the build up to the first verse or chorus then.... Some wimpy sounding singer with no balls comes in. Where are the singers with the ass kickin voice thats appropriate to this style music like Brian Johnson of AC/DC. Biggest problem is that these corporate no talents that have the big bucks for marketing think it sounds good, so we're screwed.

Here it is - 1:20 seconds in



Shameless self promotion straight off the desk, rough with ballz

[Barfunkel]

Originally Posted by mizzle

Thanks. You may know that your numbers come from a solid source, but to the general thread reader it helps to verify your claim.

That said, do you believe that this table is accurate for hip-hop/rap? It's pretty much all I hear blaring out of car radios here in Philly, and with the prevalence of Kanye West/ Jay-Z/ Little Wayne etc. I would have made the assumption that it claims a larger slice of the pie.

I'd assume at least some hip hop is classified as pop on that chart. What exactly even is pop music? Is Nickelback rock or pop? Is mainstream rap hip hop or pop? Is Skrillex dance music or pop? Hard to define sometimes.

[Benprogfuse]

Originally Posted by mizzle

Thanks. You may know that your numbers come from a solid source, but to the general thread reader it helps to verify your claim.

That said, do you believe that this table is accurate for hip-hop/rap? It's pretty much all I hear blaring out of car radios here in Philly, and with the prevalence of Kanye West/ Jay-Z/ Little Wayne etc. I would have made the assumption that it claims a larger slice of the pie.

I had this chart and others posted on another thread a long time ago and didn't want to post it twice.

I would assume that some of the rap/hip hop may be accidently classified as POP.

I also have a theory that less people listening to rock on average are pirating their music and are actually purchasing albums. That could explain hip hops lower numbers. Pop could have actually had a greater percentage than represented in this chart because I would assume that a large amount of pop is pirated.

Country music is a whole different story, because from my experience, the people who I know who listen to counrty are the kind of people who never use computers and refuse to pay their bills online, etc.. So I think not a lot of Country music is pirated. The 6% +/- seems not to make sense, because where I live (Jacksonville, Fl) Country music stations make up about half of the stations on the radio.

[brill bedroom]

Just take the money out of the equation and the frustration level goes way down. There are plenty of great rock bands ripping it up in front of 50- 100 people every night in shitty rock clubs across the world. There will always be some young kid punk who just got a guitar and thinks he has something to say and there will always be some place for him/her to say it. If that impulse remains pure, it can be a beautiful thing. It's when we foist expectations of getting paid for it that things get cock-eyed.

And there's always South America for rock bands. Wanna sell some music? Be a hard rock band and tour Brazil or Chile.

[robro]

This article was in NYTimes this past week. Seems like they are on the same page as the OP:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/ar...%20dead&st=cse