Direct guitar recording. Palmer,fractal,pod etc

[boomer81]

Here me out before the contraversy starts. I've moved into a new house (nicer bigger) gear wife and kids are in the same place. And In the Old house my stuff was in a separate building. I can't crank up late at night and that's. when I get the only time to play anymore. so I need the best direct solution.

I'm a pretty big tone junkie so tube amp guys don't rip me. I play alot of country and twang stuff with a real nice pure clean tone. My rig is a swart atomic space tone amp keely comp,screamer,and analog delay.

I love my swart it's reverb and tremolo are to die for. I'm just wondering how the amps reverb and trem translate through the Palmer. And how are the cleans through the Palmer. I don't want to sell the swart but it's not getting used at all.

My other options are sell my gear and get a fractal or a pod. By the time I add a Palmer I would have as much or more in this rig as a fractal. No need to start world war 3. Please be kind to my situation and have a adult conversation here.

[Macky]

This is a post from the Digital Amp Modeling thread.
It may be of interest.
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Originally Posted by laddie.music2

yeah good point... plus... i'm not sure if you've all used the
Tube amp doctor 'silencer' it has amazing 'load' witch plus cabinet modelling,

this with a couple tube amps, and you have yourself an incredible 'silent' recording beast...

Rick G. - Blues For Mr. Ford - YouTube

[boomer81]

ive been listening to the palmer clips and i really like it. i just want to know how does a amps built in reverb and tremolo translate through the palmer. and can you run pedals in front of the amp into the palmer,and how does it sound.

[trock]

not sure if this will help, and this is just me

but i have a fractal standard, Eleven rack, and POD xt pro in my rack, one on top of the other.

by far of those 3 the fractal wins for direct recording, which is all i used any of them for. its a great unit (i am on the list for the fractal 2)

i did just buy a blackstar amp and put some new NOS tubes in it and the vintage 30 celestians. its pretty darn good sounding as well.

basically at this point i use the amp to jam and the fractal to record, i get great recordings out of it

check out the new one, but its probably a few months wait to get one

[Audiofool]

I am using a Palmer PDI03.
There is no problem using any effects trough the Palmer, it's there instead of the speaker.
You can crank the master on the amp as much as you want up to 100w without problem.
Sounds great and i don't mic guitar cabs anymore. used a lot by pro guitarists.

[beau_mckee]

Originally Posted by Audiofool

I am using a Palmer PDI03.
There is no problem using any effects trough the Palmer, it's there instead of the speaker.
You can crank the master on the amp as much as you want up to 100w without problem.
Sounds great and i don't mic guitar cabs anymore. used a lot by pro guitarists.

I too used to own the palmer PDI-03
It does really well for certain genres, then really bad for some others. i feel the Palmer puts you into a corner where certain tones flourish and others dont. The high end response is the most difficult thing to get right i found. Still a worthy investment to consider. Otherwise the new Kemper profiling amp may be what youre after

[Kiwi]

Give the Pod HD a try ... Forget the presets entirely. Spend enough time to figure out how it works ... Try the Fender amps and cabs, but bear in mind you might find your best sound with something else. I'm liking the Gibson model quite a lot ... The Vetta comp is great, the model of the Screamer is ok, but I like the Tube and Line6 overdrives better. The optical tremelo works for me, and the spring reverbs are quite realistic. If you approach it with an open mind you can get good useable tones. I don't rate the Early Reflections - best to turn these right off. (If you don't get to figure out how to do is, you have not begun to check it out properly). for recording your could use a convolution reverb with a 100% wet cab impulse to take it to another level.

Also check out the Sansamp Character range - especially the Marshal, Vox and Fender models. Used with plugins and a good cab impulse this might have a more analog tone. The Radial Tonebones are good pedals that serve similar purpose, and include real tubes ... And although I'm not a fan of low voltage tube stuff, I can't deny the end result.

I've tried a lot of other DI guitar solutions, but these re the ones I'm keeping at this point in time.

[wxyz]

Palmer into a computer speaker IR solution

[boomer81]

Originally Posted by beau_mckee

I too used to own the palmer PDI-03
It does really well for certain genres, then really bad for some others. i feel the Palmer puts you into a corner where certain tones flourish and others dont. The high end response is the most difficult thing to get right i found. Still a worthy investment to consider. Otherwise the new Kemper profiling amp may be what youre after

Ok thanks You said it flourishes with some tones not with others. Is this mainly used in High gain applications. but more to my situation how does it do with that classic fender clean sound. Sometimes a little breakup. The swart is pretty much mashup of a fender tweed amp with blackface trem and verb. I think im about to do this by monday

[King Blank]

I've used my Palmer with a Fender Super Champ, 65 Princeton Reverb and now with a Dr Z Jaz. Sounds great on all of those. I do wonder if it might squeeze the sound a little at times but I think it sounds better than any rack stuff I've used (Mesa Rec Pre & Triaxis, Pod Pro etc). I was less impressed when I used it with a Marshall Studio 15 and a Mesa Nomad head. I think it's worth it although it, of course, has limitations, the main one being that you're not moving air in front of a mic.

[beau_mckee]

It sounds great for clean, dirty and rock, but once you start getting a little heavy it just doesn't work very well for me an my tastes

[rynugz007]

one of the best "non mic'd" guitar sounds I got was by running an amp into a THD hot plate. It simulates a speaker load and has a line level line output on it. THen i just used Native instruments guitar rig to simulate the mic'd cabinet (you can bypass the amps and just use a cab).


another option is to build an isolation box? I've never used one though, not sure how quiet they get.

[boomer81]

well i think ive gotta get a palmer. i played my amp for half an hour this morning and i cant let it go. i hate the word organic to describe sounds, it's totally overused. but these swart amps are just that.

if you have never heard one of these you got to check them out. the reverb is the best ive ever heard in a amp and ive owned some original blackface amps. it's just perfect for what i do. takes pedals great.

[boomer81]

my number came up on the fractal waiting list and I ordered the axe fx last night. They are going for like $600.00 more on eBay. I ordered the Palmer last Sunday I found a Palmer with a 45 day return. so this should be fun. Thanks to all.

[Macky]

Did you return the Palmer ?