Tonelux fader automation

[andre tchmil]

Here we go again:
I know, it has been covered before, but never seen a clear answer.

"Did anyone ever seen a working version of the Tonelux fader system with PT ? ............yet "

[wwittman]

i will, in about 2 weeks

[allaccess]

I had the prototype for 6 months, and while it wasn't perfect, it was pretty darn good! I've given Paul a lot of feedback regarding the faders and should be getting my own system as soon as he's got one available...

my order is in:

16 MX-2
16 fader Shadowmix System
4 FX-2+
1 SM-2
1 CR-2
12 EQ-4
16 MP-1

4 V-racks
3 PSU

Got my patchbays yesterday, now I just need a few hundred feet of Mogami 24 pair...

Ryan Hewitt

[wwittman]

Hey Ryan,

so what were the problem areas with it, for you?

cheers,
w2

[allaccess]

since it was the first one, the markings on the faceplate didn't correspond to the actual level going through it, and the controller wasn't calibrated to reflect the actual level either. The motors needed some more beef to drag the extra physical load of the real fader versus the dumm of the original JL Cooper controller as well...

WW have you played with it yet?

Ryan Hewitt

[ToneLux]

Originally Posted by allaccess

since it was the first one, the markings on the faceplate didn't correspond to the actual level going through it, and the controller wasn't calibrated to reflect the actual level either. The motors needed some more beef to drag the extra physical load of the real fader versus the dumm of the original JL Cooper controller as well...

WW have you played with it yet?

Ryan Hewitt

The faders have a different scale than PT. I have resolved it and the faders are now dB for dB from +12 to -15, then they start to contract, giving you more data resolution below that. When PT is at -50, I am at -32. That doubles the resolution in the lower levels, while leaving the -15 to +12 the same for primary mix translation.

The motors are being reved up too... It all works very nicely.

[w2w]

You have got to give this guy credit for listening to his customers,getting products out in the hands of users & changing things as needed,and....putting real products on the street

[ToneLux]

Originally Posted by w2w

You have got to give this guy credit for listening to his customers,getting products out in the hands of users & changing things as needed,and....putting real products on the street

There is no better way to get something right than to put it on a session of a major label mix. There is no "other option". It either works or you don't...

Thanks.

[allaccess]

Paul knows his stuff, and has great ears for sound as well as customer input. I've been talking with him about TL since he first started thinking about it a few years ago, and everything he promised has been delivered. Stuff sounds great, is built like a tank and he takes care of anything that may go wrong...

Yes, I'm on the web site and liberally praise Paul and his stuff, but I do this only for stuff that I use and believe in. I'm using every Tonelux EQ I own on the mix I'm currently working on. And I wish I had more...

Cheers,

Ryan Hewitt

[ToneLux]

And, I have known Ryan (almost long enough to be his baby sitter), for many years, and one thing he understands better than most younger engineers is the NO OPTION way of running his life. Working with his father, as we both did, and me with Kooster's Record Plant Remote, will teach you one thing. If you screw it up, you are done. There is less than one chance to get the show, and it passes by in faster than real time and is gone faster than a blink of an eye. If you screw it up, your future in this business flies by right along with it...

[not_so_new]

So any new news on the fader system? Also will this only work with ProTools? If so are there any plans for other DAWs.... like Samplitude for instance.

Thanks Paul... I think I might be hooked on the idea of getting a small system to start with.

fuuck

LOL

[ToneLux]

Originally Posted by not_so_new

So any new news on the fader system? Also will this only work with ProTools? If so are there any plans for other DAWs.... like Samplitude for instance.

Thanks Paul... I think I might be hooked on the idea of getting a small system to start with.

fuuck

LOL

It uses the HIU protocol, and MIDI, and works with any system that supports those two. We are trying to decide if we want to make a larger aftermarket version.

[Jazzpunk]

Originally Posted by allaccess

I'm using every Tonelux EQ I own on the mix I'm currently working on. And I wish I had more...

Cheers,

Ryan Hewitt

Any way you can post some examples of the stuff you are working on where you relied heavily on the color that you got out of the Tonelux EQ's?

[not_so_new]

Originally Posted by ToneLux

It uses the HIU protocol, and MIDI, and works with any system that supports those two. We are trying to decide if we want to make a larger aftermarket version.

Thanks Paul (you still suck for making me spend my money on your *I assume* fine products)...

LOL

I don't see the automation system on your site (am I missing it?), any chance you could give us a quick rundown of how it works and what hardware one would need to make it happen please? I get the basics of how this would work but I am a little fuzzy on the hardware and software needed.

Thanks.

[ToneLux]

I will have pics and info after AES Paris...

[drew]

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

Any way you can post some examples of the stuff you are working on where you relied heavily on the color that you got out of the Tonelux EQ's?

uh, how about the new Red Hot Chili Pepper's album? Ryan mixed that.

[RoundBadge]

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

Any way you can post some examples of the stuff you are working on where you relied heavily on the color that you got out of the Tonelux EQ's?

Yeah , the new Chili Peppers are a good place to startthumbsup

[RoundBadge]

I played with the Faders at Namm..felt great..smooth as silkthumbsup

[Jazzpunk]

You guys sure about that? The entire record was mixed by Ryan exclusively through the Tonelux eq's? Guess I wont need any specific examples then.

[allaccess]

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

You guys sure about that? The entire record was mixed by Ryan exclusively through the Tonelux eq's? Guess I wont need any specific examples then.

I mixed half of the record; the specific tracks are listed in the notes... Andrew scheps mixed the other half.

The songs that I mixed all have Tonelux EQ's on the drums, and many have them on vocals, guitars and bass.

The mixer was used to sum vocals, guitars and horns on different songs.

Ryan Hewitt

[Jazzpunk]

Thanks for the specifics Ryan, I'll definitely check 'em out.

[ToneLux]

Yes, I think that was him too. I watched it on my computer TV, so I wasn't sure. William? Any comments?

[deuc647]

Tonelux, are you all gonna release a larger frame like a 24 or 32 channel frame for your modular consoles, i would like to know so i can start saving my pennies ?

[Mike O]

Originally Posted by deuc647

Tonelux, are you all gonna release a larger frame like a 24 or 32 channel frame for your modular consoles, i would like to know so i can start saving my pennies ?

Paul and/or Gil might have a direct response for you, but in the mean time check out http://www.tonelux.com/messina.html. Things seem to move quickly at TL so some of the information may have changed since Mike at VK relayed it to me.

Frames like these (or similar) are available from VintageKing (at least). Give Mike at VK a call. Not sure if VK is the only Tonelux vendor providing these or if others do also. Note that, as shown, all the buckets except the left most one are for Tonelux racks with the 'ears" removed (just some screws). The buckets have holes drilled for holes that exist in the TL racks.

The API rack shown was adapted (ears cut off I believe). Not sure whether that is a 'normal" service from VK or TL or wether Jim Messina did it in his metal shop.

The "hard" part about this particuar "bucket" solution is that you pretty much have to decide how many TL racks and how many others you are planning to install in the "console". Even if you don't fill the racks (TL and/or API, etc.) with modules, you need to install the racks in the buckets prior to assembly.

Why? Because the module racks function as structural support for the buckets. But this does not require you to buy all the modules to put in the racks at once. You do have to plan, buy and install the racks. You would probably want to do this anyway as you have to plan a PB and integration.

The other way to go is third party rack frames. In this instance you can just drop additional racks of anything you want into the frame. You could look at something like this http://www.sterlingmodular.com/consoles_B.asp for example.

I hope all this is still accurate (Paul/Gil?) and helpful...

[ToneLux]

Originally Posted by deuc647

Tonelux, are you all gonna release a larger frame like a 24 or 32 channel frame for your modular consoles, i would like to know so i can start saving my pennies ?

I can make it up to 96 inputs... Like that will ever happen again...

But any size, and they can be done two ways:

1 VRacks attached directly to the side pieces like a regular console bucket, but it requires 4) Vracks per bucket.

2 Rack Rail on the sides so it can accept regular VRacks or devices or patchbays.

Jimmy Messina's is 2 directly attached and 1 with rack rail.

[ToneLux]

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?p=862238&posted=1#post862238

[wwittman]

how many threads does this topic NEED???

Paul has obviously hired PR!


and I missed it, but yes i was on Today, wasn't it? (rather than GMA)... did I look thin? <g>