MIX With The MASTERS 2012 - Joe CHICCARELLI - Eddie KRAMER - Al SCHMITT

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[Zackzack]

Why dont you post on your website that it costs over $5000 to go not including airfare? Seems pretty small and inconsiderate of you. you make a great site promoting this amazing experience and not let potential customers know how much it costs? where is the honesty in that?

Because you know what will happen (and im sure it happens every year) people are going to apply, get accepted, then get the bill comes and they'll be like, "well now i cant go because I dont make this kind of money." what does that say about the professionals running the workshops? It says that they only really care about teaching and helping out other individuals in the same field as long as the price is right. So who's brilliant idea was it to make a workshop for the elite few that have an extra $10,000 to blow on a trip to france to hang out with a professional engineer in the HOPES that 1.) the engineer will divulge useful information, and 2.) that the person will even remember everything once they get home?

Why france? Oh yeah i know why, because it costs a crap load of money, and thats what this whole experience is about right? money? It has to be. why else would you 1.) make the whole thing be in France (of all places) when there are plenty of amazing studios here in the US. and 2.) make people pay to come and pay for their own airfare. because if it were really about teaching and camaraderie, the acceptance to the program would be based on things like: past works, local reputation, personal charisma, enthusiasm, willingness to learn, client reviews, SKILL... you know things that speak to what kind of an engineer the person is, not how much money they have. attendance to this kind of workshop should be a privilege, it should be a big deal. But it looses all of that when now (because you are charging money) any Joe Blow down the street with a laptop and an MBox can attend, as long as they have money. Shame on you guys for charging so much. Shame on you guys for taking something that should be an honor and a privilege, and turning it into an elitist luxury. Seriously WTF?

[Sean Sullivan]

Are you going release this as a web series or something? I think it would be neat to pay x amount of dollars and be able to stream footage. Like the Alan Parson's stuff. Pay 99 cents and watch the 20-30 on reverb for a 24 hour period.

[TapeOpAl]

Originally Posted by Zackzack

Why dont you post on your website that it costs over $5000 to go not including airfare? Seems pretty small and inconsiderate of you. you make a great site promoting this amazing experience and not let potential customers know how much it costs? where is the honesty in that?

Because you know what will happen (and im sure it happens every year) people are going to apply, get accepted, then get the bill comes and they'll be like, "well now i cant go because I dont make this kind of money." what does that say about the professionals running the workshops? It says that they only really care about teaching and helping out other individuals in the same field as long as the price is right. So who's brilliant idea was it to make a workshop for the elite few that have an extra $10,000 to blow on a trip to france to hang out with a professional engineer in the HOPES that 1.) the engineer will divulge useful information, and 2.) that the person will even remember everything once they get home?

Why france? Oh yeah i know why, because it costs a crap load of money, and thats what this whole experience is about right? money? It has to be. why else would you 1.) make the whole thing be in France (of all places) when there are plenty of amazing studios here in the US. and 2.) make people pay to come and pay for their own airfare. because if it were really about teaching and camaraderie, the acceptance to the program would be based on things like: past works, local reputation, personal charisma, enthusiasm, willingness to learn, client reviews, SKILL... you know things that speak to what kind of an engineer the person is, not how much money they have. attendance to this kind of workshop should be a privilege, it should be a big deal. But it looses all of that when now (because you are charging money) any Joe Blow down the street with a laptop and an MBox can attend, as long as they have money. Shame on you guys for charging so much. Shame on you guys for taking something that should be an honor and a privilege, and turning it into an elitist luxury. Seriously WTF?

Really? You are talking all kinds of crazy.

[tiny333]

I liked it

[thenoodle]

Originally Posted by Zackzack

Why dont you post on your website that it costs over $5000 to go not including airfare?

Pretty hard on those guys aren't you? The classes are generally sold out and it's helpful to remember that they're not running recording 101.

If your only experience is on a laptop and mbox, you may want to submit your required work samples to see if you're even accepted in the first place.

If they accept you and you want to take your years of mixing experience up to a new level, you may disover lots of ways to come up with the fee. It's surprising what one can do when motivated to move his/her business to a new level.

Plus, the fee may be deductible as an expense for your studio. And.. you may end up with a bit more clout with your clients after the training.

[friesdan]

Thanks for posting the price. I was wondering about that.
And while I wouldn't expect it to cost less, I do think it would behoove them to post the price on their website, especially considering that the only way for me to find the price was to find this page along with a negative opinion of the operation. It certainly seems like a question anyone who is seriously considering going to a workshop will ultimately have.

[midnightsun]

Took a class a good number of years ago where Eddie Kramer was the guest instructor-- Duquesne University. This was a multiday class but a good number of participants who flew in from all over the country walked out before the class was finished because Mr. Kramer was such a jerk. He is one of the most arrogant, self agrandizing individuals I have ever met. The point of his lessons always came back to how important he was as he romanticised his buddyhood with Jimi Hendrix. (not a terrible thing but was a waste of time) I presumed Mr. Kramer was a decent engineer but an educator he is not. I recall watching in sadness and amazement as belittled and vented his frustrations and impatience on the younger students at Duquesne University. Individuals that were more mature and seasoned were appalled. (This I do consider a major character flaw.)

If Eddie Kramer was having a bad day or going through a rough time in his life he could have sent out an apology letter or note. Duquesne University refunded tuitions for those of us that requested such and apologized.

For those of you who attend, I hope that you can come back and report that he has matured in his teaching and interpersonal skills.

In the years that I have been a member of this forum I have never ranted on anyone or anything. Since this free forum is being used to market a high dollar commerical enterprise, I think that it is fair of me to give my opinion based on personal experience in the free, open forum. If Mr. Kramer has the courage to personally step up and make a comment that would be more than welcome.

[ray_subsonic]

Originally Posted by Zackzack

Why dont you post on your website that it costs over $5000 to go not including airfare? Seems pretty small and inconsiderate of you ... Shame on you guys for charging so much. Shame on you guys for taking something that should be an honor and a privilege, and turning it into an elitist luxury. Seriously WTF?

You need to eat a good breakfast .. Seriously guy ..

So who went ? Any comments from participants?

[Arthur Stone]

Originally Posted by Zackzack

Why dont you post on your website that it costs over $5000 to go not including airfare? Seems pretty small and inconsiderate of you. you make a great site promoting this amazing experience and not let potential customers know how much it costs? where is the honesty in that?

Because you know what will happen (and im sure it happens every year) people are going to apply, get accepted, then get the bill comes and they'll be like, "well now i cant go because I dont make this kind of money." what does that say about the professionals running the workshops? It says that they only really care about teaching and helping out other individuals in the same field as long as the price is right. So who's brilliant idea was it to make a workshop for the elite few that have an extra $10,000 to blow on a trip to france to hang out with a professional engineer in the HOPES that 1.) the engineer will divulge useful information, and 2.) that the person will even remember everything once they get home?

Why france? Oh yeah i know why, because it costs a crap load of money, and thats what this whole experience is about right? money? It has to be. why else would you 1.) make the whole thing be in France (of all places) when there are plenty of amazing studios here in the US. and 2.) make people pay to come and pay for their own airfare. because if it were really about teaching and camaraderie, the acceptance to the program would be based on things like: past works, local reputation, personal charisma, enthusiasm, willingness to learn, client reviews, SKILL... you know things that speak to what kind of an engineer the person is, not how much money they have. attendance to this kind of workshop should be a privilege, it should be a big deal. But it looses all of that when now (because you are charging money) any Joe Blow down the street with a laptop and an MBox can attend, as long as they have money. Shame on you guys for charging so much. Shame on you guys for taking something that should be an honor and a privilege, and turning it into an elitist luxury. Seriously WTF?

I totally disagree with this post; it's a great thing that there are many types of educational experience, to suit all pockets. I hope the events were a success. Be great to hear feedback

[BRITS1]

I can tell you with little question that their marketing consultant advised them not to publish the price. One of the first rules of marketing something like this.

That said, a week with one of these guys (The right one that may help what you do specifically) would probably be worth it to someone rising in the industry.

But we are talking probably an $8,000. dollar week.

People having a reasonable level of success could write it off.

[Dave Reid]

Originally Posted by Zackzack

1.)
Why france? Oh yeah i know why, because it costs a crap load of money, and thats what this whole experience is about right? money? It has to be. why else would you 1.) make the whole thing be in France (of all places) when there are plenty of amazing studios here in the US. and 2.)

What's the US got to do with anything.. There's a place called Europe which has loads of countries connected - which I'm sure has some budding engineers..