akg c460/ck1 vs km84

Splico · 18th November 2011

can anyone tell me diferences in sound between that 2 mics?
I own 4 of km84 and i am familiar with that kind of sound...but never heard combo c460 ck1
Thanks!

dkelley · 18th November 2011

this won't be helpful, but I just wanted to comment about how I've always thought AKG must DESPISE how apex went and ripped off the model number of a famous and great AKG mic for a bizarre yet sometimes quite good (but certainly not in AKG territory), low budget, chinese tube condensor vocal mic.

k, back to your regularly scheduled discussion.

Ward Pike · 18th November 2011

The AKG 460 preamp, ring adapter and CK1 capsule re-defines crisp! You want to cut someone's inner-ears out? Bam, there's your tool. I use this on snare all the time and it's just the most beautiful thing. A KM84 is considerably darker and bears little to no resemblance to the type of sound a 460/ck1 will give you.

Musiclab · 18th November 2011

personally I find the 451's to be brighter than the 460's. But I agree it's a great snare mic. It sounds more like the drum to me.

bigbone · 18th November 2011

I love the 460 on Hi-hat.

Ward Pike · 19th November 2011

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Originally Posted by Musiclab

SNIP... it's a great snare mic. It sounds more like the drum to me.

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Confusionator · 19th November 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musiclab

personally I find the 451's to be brighter than the 460's. But I agree it's a great snare mic. It sounds more like the drum to me.

Yep, but once you overload the 460, lordy, it sounds nasty.

That's why I prefer 480s. They may be a tiny fraction worse sounding, but they don't distort in such a nasty way.

Splico · 19th November 2011

Very informative...Thanks everyone...

Musiclab · 19th November 2011

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Originally Posted by Confusionator

Yep, but once you overload the 460, lordy, it sounds nasty.

That's why I prefer 480s. They may be a tiny fraction worse sounding, but they don't distort in such a nasty way.

I've never done that, it's never had a problem with recording a snare drum.

supo · 19th November 2011

I own both, and funny I just listed my 460's for sale a few hours ago and just came across this thread.

The 480's to my ears are darker than the 460's. Also, to my ears, the KM84's are very good but believe have a kick around the 4K-5K khz range. The 451's are definitely a bright mic - no two ways about it and it's an artificial harsh bright to my ears. The 460's smoothed everything out and took away that harshness. The 460's are great mics for a lot of purposes. I use mine for ambient recording and soloist recording and they do a very nice job. They are rock-solid, a mic I can trust. I'm only selling mine because I have 480's for the rest of my inventory and there is (splitting hairs) a different signature sound to them - not nearly as drastic as the 460's are to the 451's, but enough that I want to have all the same mics. If I had more of the 460's I would be selling the 480's. I tend for my work to want a little more of the - I'll say "smooth brilliance" to it than the almost dull 480's - but what I call dull is really more accurate. It's like a Grace preamp on the 480's - what you hear is what's really there.

18th November 2011	#1
Splico Gear maniac Joined: Jan 2006 Location: Osijek Posts: 173 Thread Starter	akg c460/ck1 vs km84 can anyone tell me diferences in sound between that 2 mics? I own 4 of km84 and i am familiar with that kind of sound...but never heard combo c460 ck1 Thanks!

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Ward Pike Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,731 10 Reviews written	The AKG 460 preamp, ring adapter and CK1 capsule re-defines crisp! You want to cut someone's inner-ears out? Bam, there's your tool. I use this on snare all the time and it's just the most beautiful thing. A KM84 is considerably darker and bears little to no resemblance to the type of sound a 460/ck1 will give you. __________________ -- Free the electrons! Use tubes/valves when possible.

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Musiclab Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2002 Location: Elmont NY Posts: 6,278 3 Reviews written	personally I find the 451's to be brighter than the 460's. But I agree it's a great snare mic. It sounds more like the drum to me. __________________ Lou Gimenez www.musiclabnyc.com

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dkelley Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2006 Location: Maple Ridge, BC, Canada (by Vancouver) Posts: 4,071 3 Reviews written	this won't be helpful, but I just wanted to comment about how I've always thought AKG must DESPISE how apex went and ripped off the model number of a famous and great AKG mic for a bizarre yet sometimes quite good (but certainly not in AKG territory), low budget, chinese tube condensor vocal mic. k, back to your regularly scheduled discussion.

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bigbone Lives for gear Joined: Feb 2005 Location: Montreal Qc Posts: 1,633	I love the 460 on Hi-hat.

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Splico Gear maniac Joined: Jan 2006 Location: Osijek Posts: 173 Thread Starter	Very informative...Thanks everyone...

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supo Gear interested Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 28	I own both, and funny I just listed my 460's for sale a few hours ago and just came across this thread. The 480's to my ears are darker than the 460's. Also, to my ears, the KM84's are very good but believe have a kick around the 4K-5K khz range. The 451's are definitely a bright mic - no two ways about it and it's an artificial harsh bright to my ears. The 460's smoothed everything out and took away that harshness. The 460's are great mics for a lot of purposes. I use mine for ambient recording and soloist recording and they do a very nice job. They are rock-solid, a mic I can trust. I'm only selling mine because I have 480's for the rest of my inventory and there is (splitting hairs) a different signature sound to them - not nearly as drastic as the 460's are to the 451's, but enough that I want to have all the same mics. If I had more of the 460's I would be selling the 480's. I tend for my work to want a little more of the - I'll say "smooth brilliance" to it than the almost dull 480's - but what I call dull is really more accurate. It's like a Grace preamp on the 480's - what you hear is what's really there.