VOCAL BUS: THE MORE STACKS THE THINNER THEY BECOME??

upscaps · 12th April 2006

If i do a four stack of tracks panned (2) at 9am & (2) at 3pm and run them thru one stereo vocal bus the vocals seem to thin out.

If i run (2) thru stereo vocal buss1 and (2) thru stereo buss2 with same fx and settings they sound big again.

is this normal in DAW mixing?

Kiwiburger · 12th April 2006

I would expect you are being fooled by your Pan Law setting. I expect you have it set to 3dB or 6dB (something other than 0dB).

When two left & right tracks are panned to the centre, they sum together. If the tracks are identical (i.e. a mono track that has been cloned into a stereo track), the summation provides a 6dB boost. If the tracks are dissimilar, they sum to about a 3dB boost.

Pan Law is an attempt at solving this problem, by attenuating the tracks as they pan towards the centre.

I find it just annoying, and set mine to 0dB. I expect the tracks to get louder when I pan them to the centre, and deal with it manually.

So what I think was happening here is that when you were panning to 9 & 3, your Pan Law is kicking in and lowering the gain.

When you are simply using stereo channels, hard left and right, no gain reduction is applied.

At a guess ...

upscaps · 12th April 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwiburger

I would expect you are being fooled by your Pan Law setting. I expect you have it set to 3dB or 6dB (something other than 0dB).

When two left & right tracks are panned to the centre, they sum together. If the tracks are identical (i.e. a mono track that has been cloned into a stereo track), the summation provides a 6dB boost. If the tracks are dissimilar, they sum to about a 3dB boost.

Pan Law is an attempt at solving this problem, by attenuating the tracks as they pan towards the centre.

I find it just annoying, and set mine to 0dB. I expect the tracks to get louder when I pan them to the centre, and deal with it manually.

So what I think was happening here is that when you were panning to 9 & 3, your Pan Law is kicking in and lowering the gain.

When you are simply using stereo channels, hard left and right, no gain reduction is applied.

At a guess ...

thanks gonna check into that

12th April 2006	#1
upscaps Gear maniac Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 278 Thread Starter	VOCAL BUS: THE MORE STACKS THE THINNER THEY BECOME?? If i do a four stack of tracks panned (2) at 9am & (2) at 3pm and run them thru one stereo vocal bus the vocals seem to thin out. If i run (2) thru stereo vocal buss1 and (2) thru stereo buss2 with same fx and settings they sound big again. is this normal in DAW mixing?

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Kiwiburger Lives for gear Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,075	I would expect you are being fooled by your Pan Law setting. I expect you have it set to 3dB or 6dB (something other than 0dB). When two left & right tracks are panned to the centre, they sum together. If the tracks are identical (i.e. a mono track that has been cloned into a stereo track), the summation provides a 6dB boost. If the tracks are dissimilar, they sum to about a 3dB boost. Pan Law is an attempt at solving this problem, by attenuating the tracks as they pan towards the centre. I find it just annoying, and set mine to 0dB. I expect the tracks to get louder when I pan them to the centre, and deal with it manually. So what I think was happening here is that when you were panning to 9 & 3, your Pan Law is kicking in and lowering the gain. When you are simply using stereo channels, hard left and right, no gain reduction is applied. At a guess ...